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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

This can still turn out decent if they clock like crazy and consume little power.
TBH how can something we hyped so much turn out like a fail 2 years ago I was like sandy and Ivy are going to be blown away just like Penryn to Nehalem, and Nehalem to Sandy.
Now I see this and I'm like well why would even a consumer want this.
Upgrading cost more than the power bill you have to pay for waiting it out with current hardware and performance improved barely only for those who need a new pc this is nice.

In that review it was shown to eat more power then ivy at the same clock speed because of the IGPU
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Tbh if the above info is true, there is absolutely no reason to upgrade. Unless you have a crappy 3770k that dont oc more than 4.5Ghz (very rare) and we have info from trusted revies that a 4770k can go over 5Ghz. And thats not because you ll see any performance upgrade in your daily tasks/gaming but because we all have the urge to upgrade and play with the latest hardware (and because of epeen ofc).
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In that review it was shown to eat more power then ivy at the same clock speed because of the IGPU
it doesn't use power if you disable it but besides that it is a useless peace of silicon who needs a IGP on a high end chip.
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What I find interesting is that the share of intel/amd processors seems to be absolutely stable lately. I'd expect AMD numbers to decline but it seems their market share loss comes from elsewhere and not gaming rigs.
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What I find interesting is that the share of intel/amd processors seems to be absolutely stable lately. I'd expect AMD numbers to decline but it seems their market share loss comes from elsewhere and not gaming rigs.

While Intel's x86 market share is indeed at a 10-year high, note that the large majority of Steam users likely haven't replaced their rigs in the past year. As such, the market share differences aren't nearly as pronounced in such a survey.
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Total x86 market share (Mercury Research)

BRAND   Q2'12 Q3'12 Q4'12 Q1'13
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AMD     18.8% 16.1% 14.7% 14.3%
INTEL   80.6% 83.3% 84.8% 85.2% 
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Sandy still looking like the best deal, lmao biggrin.gif

Man and I got my sandy 2 months used on OCN for a STEAL of a price!

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I think it's pretty much reaching a dead end... you can only refine an architecture with its roots in the Pentium 3 so much.

Plus, silicon is near the wall, and we need to switch to graphene, optical, or even quantum computers, the potential of which makes my GTX Titan/3930k seem like a i386 rig from 1990.

Yes, your beastly rig is but a fawn compared to quantum computing. Only thing though, is that this transition won't happen overnight, obviously.

The root of the haswell problems (and Ivy problems) Lie here.... silicon is near the end of the road.. I mean VERY near... Haswell is at 22nm.. a single silicon atom is? .2nm... but it gets even worse.

Here is an article why 14nm is the end of the road. http://www.extremetech.com/computing/97469-is-14nm-the-end-of-the-road-for-silicon-lithography
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It's weirdly depressing that there's no real reason to upgrade my CPU yet, aside from benching, the real world gains would be next to nothing thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Its depressing that the lack of competition has managed to screw the consumer for 2 generations of CPUs... I may not upgrade until graphene or something else at this point.

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It seems like Intel hit the brakes after Sandy Bridge biggrin.gif Well its clear now that with 2600K i got my moneys worth. thumb.gif

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The only thing that makes me sad, is the fact that I thought by now I could be able to upgrade to a 6/8 core CPU for a decent price 300-450$. Now it got to the point that I'm just going to go with this just to fill up that need to buy something new, my x58 rig feels ancient yet I know it still has enough power for games. Its a total bummer.
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The only thing that makes me sad, is the fact that I thought by now I could be able to upgrade to a 6/8 core CPU for a decent price 300-450$. Now it got to the point that I'm just going to go with this just to fill up that need to buy something new, my x58 rig feels ancient yet I know it still has enough power for games. Its a total bummer.

That's why I went from i7 920 to FX 8350, it is just a ton of fun to play with and I'm still tweaking it to this day and eeking out higher clocks, and I bought it at launch. Most things were a side grade but the most important thing to me (rendering) is awesome.

You have to imagine where Haswell is going to sit. LGA1150 isn't going to get a CPU worth upgrading over,, ever. Broadwell is rumored to be BGA, but even if there is an LGA version it's going to be a small upgrade like from SB to IB, not worth an actual upgrade if you own the older one thanks to tick tock.

Intel at least keeps LGA2011 around and it's a good platform, but now we're in an awkward situation where your choices are sidegrade SB to SB-E, downgrade IB to SB-E, or make a smaller jump from something older to SB-E. It sucks but the newest is far from the best on Intel and given how Intel is treating mainstream socket, it's probably best to avoid it for now and stick to LGA2011.

I'm not excited about the overclocking. Intel took a lot of tweaking things away from enthusiasts (bclk, etc). I remember a day of when you could get an EE with unlocked multiplier and bus overclocking. Now Intel kind of brings back bus overclocking (but only 3 settings) and people get excited. It's like Intel is just taking things away from people and then slowly giving them back and calling them new features. The whole "omg Haswell can hit Sandy Bridge clocks now when Ivy couldn't! ITS AN UPGRADE!" thing is more of "here's some stuff we took away artificially for no reason and we're giving back to you, be excited we added new features!"

Where have I seen this before and where has it worked? Apple.

I don't care how high of clocks it hits, if all you have is a few straps and multiplier it's a set it and forget it thing for the most part, just slightly changed. There is no tweaking the bus a little and messing with all the other multipliers, it's just set CPU and move on.
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I take all of the benchmarks with a grain of salt. I will just wait for the official release date benchmarks. So far all of the so called benchmarks vary from one another and seem fake. I presume the websites that publish it simply get publicity.
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It seems like Intel hit the brakes after Sandy Bridge biggrin.gif Well its clear now that with 2600K i got my moneys worth. thumb.gif
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