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Hey guys

Anyone know if I could get something like this in Australia? http://linitx.com/product/13468

Or anyone know of anything similar...


Nevermind... just bought one as they do ship to Australia.

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Couldn't you build a atom system and buy a switch for way less?
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Couldn't you build a atom system and buy a switch for way less?

I don't need switching. I need separate NICs to do a butt load of routing and build a custom UTM smile.gif
So, nope!

I'm also a stickler for looks tongue.gif
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seems a bit pricey for an atom box with a built in switch.
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seems a bit pricey for an atom box with a built in switch.

Probably. In any case, its not a built in switch wink.gif
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Probably. In any case, its not a built in switch wink.gif
please explain to me how the collection of 8 ports on the unit cannot be considered a managed switch.
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I don't need switching. I need separate NICs to do a butt load of routing and build a custom UTM smile.gif
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it's basically a managed switch attached to an atom box.
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please explain to me how the collection of 8 ports on the unit cannot be considered a managed switch.
it's basically a managed switch attached to an atom box.

all routers are managed switches...
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please explain to me how the collection of 8 ports on the unit cannot be considered a managed switch.
it's basically a managed switch attached to an atom box.

Sure smile.gif

It is not a managed switch attached to an Atom box. It is an Atom box with 8 separate Intel NICs. If you connected 8 devices to each port, they would not talk to each other. Firstly because there is no operating system installed. Even if you installed an OS, there would still be no switching done. Switching is done at layer 2. It is the same as building a PC with two NICs (except this one just has 8). If you connected two devices to those two NICs, they would not be able to talk to each other. Both devices would talk to the HOST (i.e. the owner of the two NICs) only, but not to each other.

The only two ways 8 devices on this platform could talk to each other is:

1. Via routing (which is done at layer 3, so its still not a switch). This is how I intend to use the box - as a router. Not a switch.
2. Via bridging - if I bridged all 8 NICs together at the operating system level (quite easy using Linux), then it could act as a "switch".
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all routers are managed switches...

Sorry, but no. All routers are not managed switches. Routers are for routing (layer 3). Switches are for switching (layer 2). A router may HAVE a switch inbuilt, but these are separate to its interfaces which are used for routing. To be a router, it at the very least must have 2 network interfaces.

Consider a router with an inbuilt switch, with 5 physical interfaces:

- One interface would be, for example, a WAN interface.
- The remaining 4 physical interfaces would be a switch - to the router at the operating system level, those 4 physical interfaces are collectively one interface (a bridge).

The router in this example is a typical home router - it connects the LAN to the WAN. The LAN interface is the bridge of 4 physical interfaces (a "switch"), and the WAN has a dedicated interface.

Why does a router at least require 2 network interfaces? Because you must first understand what a router does - it connects two dissimilar networks together (can't do that with a switch, unless it is a layer 3 switch, which is outside the scope of this). Each of those dissimilar networks is connected to the router on their own interface. Traffic coming in from one network on one interface destined for a different network gets out on the interface connected to the destination network.

With all due respect, I would advise both of you may like to brush up on what Ethernet switching is and how it works. It is not simply a bunch of physical network interfaces soldered onto a motherboard that "magically" allow devices to communicate with each other when they are plugged in. smile.gif
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Sure smile.gif

It is not a managed switch attached to an Atom box. It is an Atom box with 8 separate Intel NICs. If you connected 8 devices to each port, they would not talk to each other. Firstly because there is no operating system installed. Even if you installed an OS, there would still be no switching done. Switching is done at layer 2. It is the same as building a PC with two NICs (except this one just has 8). If you connected two devices to those two NICs, they would not be able to talk to each other. Both devices would talk to the HOST (i.e. the owner of the two NICs) only, but not to each other.

The only two ways 8 devices on this platform could talk to each other is:

1. Via routing (which is done at layer 3, so its still not a switch). This is how I intend to use the box - as a router. Not a switch.
2. Via bridging - if I bridged all 8 NICs together at the operating system level (quite easy using Linux), then it could act as a "switch".
Sorry, but no. All routers are not managed switches. Routers are for routing (layer 3). Switches are for switching (layer 2). A router may HAVE a switch inbuilt, but these are separate to its interfaces which are used for routing. To be a router, it at the very least must have 2 network interfaces.

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- One interface would be, for example, a WAN interface.
- The remaining 4 physical interfaces would be a switch - to the router at the operating system level, those 4 physical interfaces are collectively one interface (a bridge).

The router in this example is a typical home router - it connects the LAN to the WAN. The LAN interface is the bridge of 4 physical interfaces (a "switch"), and the WAN has a dedicated interface.

Why does a router at least require 2 network interfaces? Because you must first understand what a router does - it connects two dissimilar networks together (can't do that with a switch, unless it is a layer 3 switch, which is outside the scope of this). Each of those dissimilar networks is connected to the router on their own interface. Traffic coming in from one network on one interface destined for a different network gets out on the interface connected to the destination network.

With all due respect, I would advise both of you may like to brush up on what Ethernet switching is and how it works. It is not simply a bunch of physical network interfaces soldered onto a motherboard that "magically" allow devices to communicate with each other when they are plugged in. smile.gif
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Firstly because there is no operating system installed. Even if you installed an OS, there would still be no switching done.
if pfsense was installed it wouldn't switch between the interfaces if properly configured?

tl;dr
if you are connecting lan and lan segments, it's a switch.
if you are connection lan to wan and wan to wan it's a router.
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if pfsense was installed it wouldn't switch between the interfaces if properly configured?


tl;dr
if you are connecting lan and lan segments, it's a switch.
if you are connection lan to wan and wan to wan it's a router.

Yes.
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2. Via bridging - if I bridged all 8 NICs together at the operating system level (quite easy using Linux), then it could act as a "switch".

But not by default, and that's not what I am planning to do with it.
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