Originally Posted by MightEMatt
Blizzard perfected the "casual" formula for MMOs and have successfully milked it for a decade. Your comment about "Niche MMO Genre" is the equivalent of Linux fanboys getting mad at Canonical for making Linux more accessible and streamlined (Ubuntu). ActiBlizzard has a formula and a damn good one at that. If you want a more complicated MMO play one;
or make one.
I respect Blizzard for practically monopolizing the MMO genre for years. WoW is refined and that's the whole reason its held such a large subscriber base against its copies. It isn't their fault that other companies aren't creative enough to innovate.
There are only 2 MMOs I play, and those are WoW and EVE. If I want complexity I'll play EVE. If I want to take it easy and do some light gaming, I'll fire up WoW. Hating a game because it isn't challenging is ridiculous. SNES games are, for the most part, trivial in their simplicity. That doesn't make them any less enjoyable.
1) Trouble with reading comprehension? I already said every developer tried to copy the WoW formula for subs, there aren't any difficult MMOs left worth playing. Your analogies are absolutely terrible, off the mark and just useless. Your statement assumes WoW is somehow better than other MMOs, it isn't it just has more subscribers and players.
2) Eve would be a valid replacement, and I did play it for a while but the constant balancing issues and CCP screwing up the servers for null warefare pretty much made that game a time sink blobfest, not difficult.
Simplicity / Complexity != Difficulty.
Originally Posted by Tippy
This is like saying that Apple and Samsung are "destroying" the "phone genre".
WoW took many elements from other MMO's and mixed it together into a winning formula, get over it
I am over it, I stopped playing MMORPGs now because they all suck. Plus your analogy is atrociously incorrect.
Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
between 20 and 30 months.
before that he is in a sensorimotor stage. However in the preoperational stage all requirements to play a WoW game are met. Preoperational is 2 to 7 years of age. Concrete thinking is what is required for anything greater than being led by the hand. Eve doesn't even require formal operations to be successful. It does help though.
EDIT--- Ironically this image does not go into the long diatribe about how a large majority of adults in the world (regardless of education level) never even make it to formal operations. Their brains just never develop that far or make those connections.
I'm not even going to get started on the formal operational stuff, but we are definitely on the same page.
Originally Posted by fantasyalive Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I never said hardcore players I said "more hardcore", and yes there is a higher level of difficulty between normal playing and hard modes. I never said they catered to the "hardcore" players of old. Again if Blizzard didn't do it, someone else would have at some point, Activision did it to FPS genre. So again your pissed at Blizzard because your favorite games creator got greedy, sorry that isn't Blizzards fault. There is still plenty of money to be made with niche MMO's that don't copy cat WoW, look at Eve. Yes, it isn't cash cow like WoW was but you can't get that with a hardcore game, because hardcore games only appeal to a much smaller fraction of gamers. Anyway at this point I think company's are starting to realize that and you'll start seeing a couple MMO's come out that aren't pandering to WoW's entire population, like DAOC kickstart and that's a good thing but again I think its petty to blame Blizzard because other company's wanted to do what they did and got gready and made subpar games.
Speaking of issues with formal operational level.
2nd order ramifications lesson coming up. I am a game developer, I have positions for 100 people for 1 year to develop a game. I have 2 options, option 1 the casual pc gamer market size 40 million. Option 2 the hardcore gamer market size 6 million (being VERY generous). Which market do you think a smart BUSINESS person is going to target their game? If you can't follow that train of thought and come to the correct conclusion, we don't have anything further to discuss because I won't waste my time typing to someone who can't understand.
Ironically, If you are able to follow the thought, I won't need to type it out anyway.