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I didn't understand anything you said in the first paragraph. It's probably why I use Samsung cameras... happily.

Although, I must admit, my old man recently bought a $900+ Nikon camera (forgot what model, but he also bought some different lenses which were very expensive too), and the pictures he took with her (yes, her) look freakin' awesome. He's not an enthusiast like yourself, but I guess it shows what can be done with a good camera.
Yeah, my standpoint on their stuff is probably different than that of someone like a hobbiest.
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As far as your disagreement goes, you're basically assuming that Samsung purposely did this. What exactly would be the benefit of taking such a massive risk for such little gain?

"Oh, let's use this stolen picture, and hope we don't get caught"....

The other thing is, you say, "Samsung knows"... well, you're probably right. Samsung knows. Who is Samsung though? There's over 350,000 employees for Samsung.

One of those people screwed up, and Samsung simply apologized for it. End of story.
Yes I'm assuming because this is commonly happens. It's cheaper sometimes to just steal/tale the work instead of getting usage rights. Why bother trying to negotiate usage rights when in that situation it's cheaper for them to settle if they're caught?

And an apology makes up for nothing. Yeah, in this situation they probably just screwed over an amateur but this same type of behavior happens with professionals a lot. If they, being whomever handling the work, can take advantage of a situation they will. One of my teachers shot the cover for Mad Men but messed up on the rights. That little hiccup caused him to be unable to profit from Amazon using it in their Kindle Fire ads.

Or one my teachers I had last term has a consulting business dealing with copyright issues in the art/design world. He's had work jacked numerous times since the company/agency/whatever quickly looked, couldn't find the photographer, and decided to go through with using the work.

Basically what I'm saying is, stop siding with them. When the larger agencies and/or companies are screwing someone over they are usually aware of that in some way. Exceptions being someone screwed up with handling the rights, the business is small enough to be oblivious to how the industry works, someone didn't follow follow through with their job, etc...
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samsung dont need to write him nothing but. The publicity alone has probably gotten him more attention and work and he should be thankful samsung used his photo and not some other photographers....


No damage caused by Samsung. He should pay samsung...smile.gif

LOLWUT??!?!

lachen.gif This is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've read all week!
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No, you're absolutely wrong. They stole his work, he has nothing to be thankful to them for.

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This guy...
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samsung dont need to write him nothing but. The publicity alone has probably gotten him more attention and work and he should be thankful samsung used his photo and not some other photographers....


No damage caused by Samsung. He should pay samsung...smile.gif

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Youre assuming the picture was copyrighted. A lot of these pics are just out thete for anyone to use. Then when a big company uses them they cry about beong paid. Proving theft is impossible. He should be thankful should samsung even respond to him.
It would br cheaper for ss to just settle even though they could win the case...


Use him for a new camera tthey're launching. Take it or leave it lol

Doesn't know how it works. thumb.gif

If the image was under a creative commons license for commercial use, then it would have been ok to use. But it wasn't...
Edited by lifeskills - 5/11/13 at 7:57am
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Yes I'm assuming because this is commonly happens. It's cheaper sometimes to just steal/tale the work instead of getting usage rights. Why bother trying to negotiate usage rights when in that situation it's cheaper for them to settle if they're caught?

And an apology makes up for nothing. Yeah, in this situation they probably just screwed over an amateur but this same type of behavior happens with professionals a lot. If they, being whomever handling the work, can take advantage of a situation they will. One of my teachers shot the cover for Mad Men but messed up on the rights. That little hiccup caused him to be unable to profit from Amazon using it in their Kindle Fire ads.

Or one my teachers I had last term has a consulting business dealing with copyright issues in the art/design world. He's had work jacked numerous times since the company/agency/whatever quickly looked, couldn't find the photographer, and decided to go through with using the work.

Basically what I'm saying is, stop siding with them. When the larger agencies and/or companies are screwing someone over they are usually aware of that in some way. Exceptions being someone screwed up with handling the rights, the business is small enough to be oblivious to how the industry works, someone didn't follow follow through with their job, etc...

You say it's "cheaper" for businesses to go the route of stealing work and then later paying to settle if caught. If caught? That makes a lot of sense if you're talking about a small, relatively unknown, company. But, we're taking about a very high profile company.

I'm not disregarding what happened to your teacher, or saying that things like this don't ever happen. How common, I'm not sure. What I am saying is that I don't believe that Samsung, the company, did this purposely.

Going back to what you were saying regarding cost. Wouldn't it be cheaper for Samsung to shoot their own photo, saving themselves the trouble of bad publicity and a loss of credibility?

The cost of cleaning up a mess like this has to be a lot more damaging than negotiating the usage of some photo.

I may be wrong here, but you seem to have an affinity for the photographer, probably due to yourself being one, so it's only natural that you would show bias and not be very objectionable in this matter.
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You say it's "cheaper" for businesses to go the route of stealing work and then later paying to settle if caught. If caught? That makes a lot of sense if you're talking about a small, relatively unknown, company. But, we're taking about a very high profile company.

I'm not disregarding what happened to your teacher, or saying that things like this don't ever happen. How common, I'm not sure. What I am saying is that I don't believe that Samsung, the company, did this purposely.

Going back to what you were saying regarding cost. Wouldn't it be cheaper for Samsung to shoot their own photo, saving themselves the trouble of bad publicity and a loss of credibility?

The cost of cleaning up a mess like this has to be a lot more damaging than negotiating the usage of some photo.

I may be wrong here, but you seem to have an affinity for the photographer, probably due to yourself being one, so it's only natural that you would show bias and not be very objectionable in this matter.

Explain this then...

If the photo used in the print ad was taken in 2011 with a Nikon camera, and not by a Samsung photographer....

How did Samsung claim this photo was taken by a Samsung photographer? How did they come to that conclusion?

If they are claiming it was taken by a Samsung photographer, wouldn't they have hired a photographer to take that photo, and that photographer brought it to the agency?

Yes it would've been cheaper, and less embarrassing to have hired a photographer to take a photo to use in a print ad, but that's not the route Samsung took...
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If I was the dude who took the picture, I would just call up Samsung and be like "Hey give me a million bucks and I won't make you look like idiots."
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Explain this then...

If the photo used in the print ad was taken in 2011 with a Nikon camera, and not by a Samsung photographer....

How did Samsung claim this photo was taken by a Samsung photographer? How did they come to that conclusion?

If they are claiming it was taken by a Samsung photographer, wouldn't they have hired a photographer to take that photo, and that photographer brought it to the agency?

Yes it would've been cheaper, and less embarrassing to have hired a photographer to take a photo to use in a print ad, but that's not the route Samsung took...

I'm don't know any more than you do, and with that, very little. I do have a different perspective (clearly) on Samsung's role, however.

Someone, out of the (over) 350,000 employed with Samsung, made a massive error. Whether on purpose or not, I don't know for sure.

Samsung, as a company, apologized for that employee's mistake.

When you say, "That's not the route Samsung took".... who are you talking about? Is there any evidence that Samsung, as a company, planned this? Or, is it more probable that it was an isolated matter involving someone employed with Samsung, but not necessarily a business decision Samsung as whole made?

That's all I'm saying, hope it makes sense. c:
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I'm don't know any more than you do, and with that, very little. I do have a different perspective (clearly) on Samsung's role, however.

Someone, out of the (over) 350,000 employed with Samsung, made a massive error. Whether on purpose or not, I don't know for sure.

Samsung, as a company, apologized for that employee's mistake.

When you say, "That's not the route Samsung took".... who are you talking about? Is there any evidence that Samsung, as a company, planned this? Or, is it more probable that it was an isolated matter involving someone employed with Samsung, but not necessarily a business decision Samsung as whole made?

That's all I'm saying, hope it makes sense. c:

When I say "That's not the route Samsung took", I'm saying that they ( Samsung's PR / Marketing department ) likely didn't even hire a photographer to go out and take photos, but instead, found a photo that could be used in that print ad.

My speculation of this is due to when the photo was taken, and by whom it was taken.

Was it a business decision Samsung as a whole made? Unlikely, it would be the marketing department responsible.

If a Samsung photographer had taken this photo ( like they claimed ), this embarrassing fiasco wouldn't have "mistakenly" happened. Seriously, how do you "accidentally" upload someone else's photo, and "accidentally" run it in your ad campaign.

They owned up, and apologized, because quite frankly, it's not like they could have denied it. Best course of action was to admit the mistake, apologize, and reach out to the photographer. ( Positive PR )
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