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Hi.

As you can see, I've built a computer some time ago, recommended by you, but now I need another one, for quite different work.

The goal of this machine is to let me work in Visual Studio (C++), Adobe Photoshop, 3D Studio Max (I'll mainly be developing game mods, heavy & big ones), and also gaming (those two are the main tasks). My problem is: better processor or better graphics card? I need a CPU that can handle big solutions & multiple softwares running simultaneously without a problem, but also being able to play the newest games fine, although my budget is quite small (around 500€ too, no peripherals).

I could get an i5-3570, 8GB RAM (damn man, memory is so ******* expensive at the moment) and some good graphics card that can handle current games fine (I'd love if it was a HD7870, but that isn't possible with an i5-3570).

I was trying to make a configuration by myself, but I would like some from other people to see what can I change and what they think.

By the way, I'll buy the hardware in http://pcdiga.com, http://pixmania.pt
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Depending on how big the solutions are, you normally do not need a lot of compute power to crunch a build but that depends on what you are doing of course. Only you can answer that one. I get away with an i5-2400, but I only work XCode with small apps. As for Photoshop, that depends as well. If you are doing large scripts that apply tons of filters then a good processor + GPU may be needed.

Photoshop CS6 supports AMD cards now, so you can definitely go that route. If you need CUDA then Nvidia is the only option.

$600 is hard for a good workstation + gaming rig... but if I was forced to spec it out, I'd probably try to get used components to push me over the edge:

Used + New parts:
i5-2500 (USED $130)
ASRock H77 Pro4 ($75) Four DIMMs for future expandability
2x4GB ADATA XPG Gaming Series DDR3 1600 ($52)
MSI 660 Twin Frozer ($195)
Rosewill Capstone 550W ($79)
Corsair 300R ($69)
Total: ~$600

For new, you could drop down to an i3, but I'd really recommend either stretching the budget $50 or going used to get an i5. There are motherboards cheaper, but I wanted to keep 4 DIMMs for future expandability and I don't like going too low end with the board. I went Nvidia because I have had more luck with their cards when working with Photoshop and graphics design. The good part about going socket 1155 is there is a lot of room to grow up to a i7-3770 if its needed in the future. Hope that helps.
 
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post #3 of 16
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Hmm, the build looks good, but I guess you misreaded the budget, it's 500 EURO tongue.gif

Regarding the solutions, shouldn't be more than 7-8 projects. As for the Photoshop, it won't be something very heavy.
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post #5 of 16
Your asking too much of too small of a budget.

I used PC Parts picker out of France and came up with this within budget

http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/p/X3Gy

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (€90.98 @ Amazon France)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (€77.89 @ Amazon France)
Memory: GeIL Black Dragon 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€44.48 @ Amazon France)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€53.89 @ Amazon France)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card (€108.99 @ Amazon France)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case (€41.14 @ Amazon France)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (€60.45 @ Amazon France)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer (€20.00 @ Amazon France)
Total: €497.82

But that will be a pig when your trying to use Visual C++

If I were you, I would save up and get this

http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/p/X3K5

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (€197.91 @ Amazon France)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro4-M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (€83.98 @ Amazon France)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (€62.70 @ Amazon France)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€64.39 @ Amazon France)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card (€239.98 @ Amazon France)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case (€41.14 @ Amazon France)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (€60.45 @ Amazon France)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer (€20.00 @ Amazon France)
Total: €770.55

Will be a much much better experience. thumb.gif
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I don't need HDD nor optical drive, so that's about 100€ less.

My current build is this:

Case - Coolermaster K350 (34,90€) => PCDiga
CPU - AMD FX-6300 (126,69€) => Pixmania
Mobo - ASRock 970 Extreme3 (74,90€) => Pixmania
GPU - VTX3D Radeon HD 7870 X-Edition (184,90€) => Pixmania
Memory - Patriot Viper 3 DDR3 CL9 2x4GB (39,90€) => Pixmania
PSU - XFX Pro 450W Core Edition (49,90€) => PCDiga

Total is 511€. Though, these prices are quite different right now.

I came up with another one, but this would mean I could get only 160-170€ GPUs (HD7850 or HD7870 OEM, but I hate the latter):

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 (195,90€)
MOBO: MSI B75MA-P45 (59,90€)
GPU: - -
MEM: Kingston HyperX DDR3-1600 2x4GB (49,90€)
PSU: Corsair Builder CX430W (39,90€)

Total is 345,6€.
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Originally Posted by ixjf View Post

I don't need HDD nor optical drive, so that's about 100€ less.

My current build is this:

Case - Coolermaster K350 (34,90€) => PCDiga
CPU - AMD FX-6300 (126,69€) => Pixmania
Mobo - ASRock 970 Extreme3 (74,90€) => Pixmania
GPU - VTX3D Radeon HD 7870 X-Edition (184,90€) => Pixmania
Memory - Patriot Viper 3 DDR3 CL9 2x4GB (39,90€) => Pixmania
PSU - XFX Pro 450W Core Edition (49,90€) => PCDiga

Total is 511€. Though, these prices are quite different right now.
This is probably the best you can get for your money right now. Though like I said, I would save up to get a better processor and make sure you get an Nvidia GPU because alot of development programs use Cuda cores to speed things up.
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Wouldn't the i5-3570 be better for my work? I just need to downgrade to a HD7850..
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post #9 of 16
No, the FX-6300 overclocked will be faster then the i5-3570, especially if you can find a 12Euro cpu cooler.
Also you would need to do more to go to the 3570, like find a different motherboard, which costs more.
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I agree that the budget is too low.

If you really want a solid experience you need to approach workstation levels... considering I own a titan, I am trying to get a friend from work who uses autodesk 2013 to bring over his copy and put my card to the test. He has been looking at trying to find a card that works well for him, but quadros are very expensive.
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