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Impossible on AMD's current node.

Would be nice to have a 4 Module, 7790(896sp) part though, for ~$250.

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Obviously it is fake, unless it is a server chip

The die size is going to be insanely huge with such specs, so you can't sell it for cheap for normal consumers..

^^

This chip is impossible. Pitcairn is already 212mm^2 at 28nm, 8 vishera modules are gonna be around 400mm-600mm^2 alone, plus all that extra on die stuff... This thing would be the biggest chip ever produced by a longshot. Yields would be horrendous, costs would be through the roof.
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This chip is impossible. Pitcairn is already 212mm^2 at 28nm, 8 vishera modules are gonna be around 400mm-600mm^2 alone, plus all that extra on die stuff... This thing would be the biggest chip ever produced by a longshot. Yields would be horrendous, costs would be through the roof.

You are neglecting the manufacturing process improvements, and the redesigned silicon to accomodate the extra components.

AMD's initial Zambezi had a 20% larger die size directly resulting from automated library chip design. Vishera has improved a bit in that aspect, and if this thing ever makes it, it would need a large restructuring that would most likely make it much more space efficient than current designs.

Plus, yields are only as bad as the manufacturing process is.
   
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You are neglecting the manufacturing process improvements, and the redesigned silicon to accomodate the extra components.

AMD's initial Zambezi had a 20% larger die size directly resulting from automated library chip design. Vishera has improved a bit in that aspect, and if this thing ever makes it, it would need a large restructuring that would most likely make it much more space efficient than current designs.

Plus, yields are only as bad as the manufacturing process is.

Still, whatever way you look at it, that's more than 7 billion transistors on a chip, and those CPUs aren't as dense as GPUs are... Is a 600mm^2+ chip at 28nm even viable?

If this is a future 20nm design, it would make a bit more sense.
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Still, whatever way you look at it, that's more than 7 billion transistors on a chip, and those CPUs aren't as dense as GPUs are... Is a 600mm^2+ chip at 28nm even viable?

If this is a future 20nm design, it would make a bit more sense.

*cough*

http://www.techspot.com/review/644-nvidia-geforce-titan/

Titan carries 7.1 billion transistors. On a GPU alone.
   
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^^

This chip is impossible. Pitcairn is already 212mm^2 at 28nm, 8 vishera modules are gonna be around 400mm-600mm^2 alone, plus all that extra on die stuff... This thing would be the biggest chip ever produced by a longshot. Yields would be horrendous, costs would be through the roof.

Indeed. It would be beyond the reticle limit of silicon unless TSMC is already on 14nm.

However, a 4 module, 18CU part is possible with the next node. (It's actually possible on the current node, but it would be cost prohibitive).
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Tries to bash AMD over an image they released in 2007 which clearly says server, Doesn't know that they actually released something with 16 cores for servers which equals Intels offerings Interlagos.
AMD didn't see Nehalem coming but they were pretty spot on if Intel had gone the multi core way.


1. "Targeted at Server and Client"

Do you not see the 3 arrows? it's not just for servers.

2. Besides, the statement I was mainly referencing was:

"Designed to be the highest performing single and multi-threaded compute core in history"

AMD completely delivered on that statement huh? rolleyes.gif

3. I was also referencing the 16 core, hence: So who knows, maybe this thing IS real afterall. thumb.gif

Again, stating facts =! bashing, quit being so defensive.

I should've gone further into the article and referenced:

"Bulldozer is the name, crushing Intel is the game" lachen.gif

If AMD didn't make such statements, I would have NOTHING to say, want to discuss the claims made in this video? rolleyes.gif

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AMD's quad-core processor "Barcelona", expected to ship this summer, will outperform Intel's current Xeon 5300 "Clovertown by "over 40% ". That is, according to Randy Allen, Corporate Vice-President of AMD's Server and Workstation Business.
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1. "Targeted at Server and Client"

Do you not see the 3 arrows? it's not just for servers.

2. Besides, the statement I was mainly referencing was:

"Designed to be the highest performing single and multi-threaded compute core in history"

AMD completely delivered on that statement huh? rolleyes.gif

3. I was also referencing the 16 core, hence: So who knows, maybe this thing IS real afterall. thumb.gif

Again, stating facts =! bashing, quit being so defensive.

I should've gone further into the article and referenced:

"Bulldozer is the name, crushing Intel is the game"

If AMD didn't make such statements, I would have NOTHING to say:

They target the arch no reason to give costumer 16 cores unless multi core scaling picks up (which they expected but didn't)
Again It could've been that way if Nehalem didn't turn out to be such a beast.

AMD's price performance is better than Intel's.
AMD's Athlon crushed the P4
Intel manipulated the market with both their compiler software and their secret contracts with big OEMs.
Those arguments are clearly bash supporting although they are based on facts.

Why back Intel all the time there is no need I own Intel procs and Nvidia gpus you don't see me going around every news thread saying how one of those is better than anything out there.
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You are neglecting the manufacturing process improvements, and the redesigned silicon to accomodate the extra components.

AMD's initial Zambezi had a 20% larger die size directly resulting from automated library chip design. Vishera has improved a bit in that aspect, and if this thing ever makes it, it would need a large restructuring that would most likely make it much more space efficient than current designs.

Plus, yields are only as bad as the manufacturing process is.

8 piledriver modules + 1028SP IGP on 28nm processs is going to be north of SB-E die size, and TDP north of 180W.

Plus Vishera have the same die size as Zambezi: 315mm^2 thus it haven't improved one bit in that aspect, that's with only 4 Bulldozer modules.

Trinity, with 2 Piledriver modules on 384 SP GPU is at 246mm^2 on 32nm, to quadruple the Piledriver module counts(even with your supposed 20% saving in die size with new architecture) & almost triple SP count(granted GCN is more area efficient than VLIW4) with a half-node shrink to 28nm is asking way too much. This thing is not possible die size/TDP wise until AMD can get to 20nm for both CPU & GPU.
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They target the arch no reason to give costumer 16 cores unless multi core scaling picks up (which they expected but didn't)
Again It could've been that way if Nehalem didn't turn out to be such a beast.

AMD's price performance is better than Intel's.
AMD's Athlon crushed the P4
Intel manipulated the market with both their compiler software and their secret contracts with big OEMs.
Those arguments are clearly bash supporting although they are based on facts.

Why back Intel all the time there is no need I own Intel procs and Nvidia gpus you don't see me going around every news thread saying how one of those is better than anything out there.

Again, you bring up Price / Performance, it's only better than Intel's because it HAS to be in order to compete. The 8150 launched at $270, and was $199 within months. When AMD held the performance crown they had no problem selling FX-57 for $1000, and that was a terrible price / performance chip.

I was simply making a joke based on what's most likely a rumor of a non-existent part. I'm a marketer, and if there's anything I dislike is misleading advertising, which AMD does very often. I just like poking fun at it, so don't take it seriously.

If you think I "back Intel all the time" think again, I posted this yesterday. I just tell it how it is.
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One healthy thing I take from this thread is that the Intel fans that are posting here are rational and see things how they are and call Intel out when they feel the need to and don't defend the brand just because.

SB owners: keep your systems, if you have an i5 and want more threads, either grab a second hand i7-2600K or an i7-3770K from Micro Center ;

Nehalem owners: if you have your CPUs running at 4.2 Ghz and don't mind the extra power usage, keep them for another year or wait until AMD releases the HD 9000 series later this year in order to assess the upgrade need when it comes to CPU bottlenecks then.
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I agree with that. I bet most people couldn't care less what brand is inside, so long as it's the fastest they can afford. I came very close to buying a 1090T originally, at the time it was only a $30 difference between the 2.

btw, I'm revising Intel's Back to the Future statement to:

"Delivering Tomorrow's Performance Today" Grab Sandy Bridge today, and we won't give you a reason to upgrade for a few generations! ( Unless you game on the built in IGPU )

biggrin.gif

I stuck with Sandy Bridge simply because it has better IPC, higher avg OC's, and lower power consumption over Nehalem.

Nehalem --> Sandy thumb.gif
Sandy --> Ivy thinking.gif
Ivy --> Haswell wth.gif

My upgrade path went like this:

3800+ --> 930 drool.gif
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Again, you bring up Price / Performance, it's only better than Intel's because it HAS to be in order to compete. The 8150 launched at $270, and was $199 within months. When AMD held the performance crown they had no problem selling FX-57 for $1000, and that was a terrible price / performance chip.

I was simply making a joke based on what's most likely a rumor of a non-existent part. I'm a marketer, and if there's anything I dislike is misleading advertising, which AMD does very often. I just like poking fun at it, so don't take it seriously.
No I was bringing it up to prove that facts can be used to support bashing.
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If you think I "back Intel all the time" think again, I posted this yesterday. I just tell it how it is.
My upgrade path went like this:

3800+ --> 930 drool.gif
So first you say that you don't back Intel all the time to back that up you say "3800+ --> 930" but the fact you put the drool emote behind the 930 makes it even more of a pro Intel statement.

AMD Phenom II 955 --> dual e5520 but I didn't go all yeah Intel is so much greater over that upgrade.
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