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It's very odd how so many are unwilling to clearly accept such damning objective data.

It's just simple old denial, minimization of the problem (it's not as big of a problem), and of course once the problem can't be denied you hear projection, or in this case "oh Nvidia has it too, and according to this thing here it's much worse on their side". thumb.gif

Of course there's people on the green team that will take it as an opportunity to bash AMD as much as they can. In the end the issue is limited to multi-gpu users that's a small niche in itself, and even then it's not clear as daylight. Regardless, for those considering CF/SLI, the other differences between them are small enough that this issue will give Nvidia a clear advantage. AMD has admitted the problem and a fix is coming, so I don't see this as anything other than a great step forward in offering better products for us consumers.
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post #182 of 311
Funny, mine is perfectly smooth...I'm still going to inspect it. there still a possibility that my gpu's are really NVidia in disguise....it's so smooth, just bought dishonored for $14.44 and the damn game is so smooth.
    
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post #183 of 311
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It's just simple old denial, minimization of the problem (it's not as big of a problem), and of course once the problem can't be denied you hear projection, or in this case "oh Nvidia has it too, and according to this thing here it's much worse on their side". thumb.gif

Of course there's people on the green team that will take it as an opportunity to bash AMD as much as they can. In the end the issue is limited to multi-gpu users that's a small niche in itself, and even then it's not clear as daylight. Regardless, for those considering CF/SLI, the other differences between them are small enough that this issue will give Nvidia a clear advantage. AMD has admitted the problem and a fix is coming, so I don't see this as anything other than a great step forward in offering better products for us consumers.

Absolutely wonderful post...

If anything, AMD fans should be rejoicing in the performance of the prototype drivers... Just look at how vastly improved they are. Kudos for AMD for that...

And now that the issue of "micro stuttering" is out in the open and the cat is out of the bag - It's only going to get better from here with each company trying to effectively eliminate the issue entirely. My issue isn't with AMD so much as it is with the people that have purchased their products and have acted irrationally and unreasonably throughout this whole ordeal.

Yeah, AMD has been delivering a broken product. The performance was terrible. They acknowledged it, and have made great strides in eliminating the problem, and soon it'll just be an afterthought and the industry gets to move forward with competent competitors that are challenging one another. Bravo to AMD - That's a business lesson that any company can take an example from regardless of their business. That's how you handle a problem. You don't say "This problem doesn't exist, it's just bias" or "eh, I don't notice it", "my performance is so good it doesn't matter even if it does exist".

Imagine the uproar if AMD had been acting like its consumers are acting at the moment
post #184 of 311
We have some member to spam meme and some others to spread misinformations and probably another amd thread will be locked.


The whole review is based on subjective data. They removed the small frames because nvidia called them runt frames. Probably they are right but the whole review is subjective.

Probably some people cant stand that the cf users dont have problems.
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Wow lol... love the direction this thread went.... rolleyes.gif

So now apparently we are liars when we find our radeons to be pretty awesome gaming GPUs doh.gif . There are issues with frametimes sure but they aren't ANYWHERE near as bad as many people make them out to be and that's why people defend them so much because they don't have issues with this thing that everyone is making such a huge deal out of. Heck before the techreport article almost no one even complained about it at all. Now people make it out like Radeons are almost unplayable when it simply is not true. the only game i've had issues with is FarCry 3 and it's choppy even on my GTX570 otherwise i've enjoyed a smooth gaming experience with all my titles. (Oh there is also GTA4 that plays like crap on my 7970)

I'm not opposing AMD fixing these issues at all, i'd love for them to smooth thing over with farcry 3 but i'm certainly not gonna put my 7970 up on ebay over this lol. Funny thing is when you look at the people accusing Radeon users of being liars they usually have green cards in their Sigs, makes you wonder if they even tried them before typing up their elaborate "experiences".
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post #186 of 311
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Wow lol... love the direction this thread went.... rolleyes.gif

So now apparently we are liars when we find our radeons to be pretty awesome gaming GPUs doh.gif . There are issues with frametimes sure but they aren't ANYWHERE near as bad as many people make them out to be. Heck before the techreport article almost no one even complained about it at all. Now people make it out like Radeons are almost unplayable when it simply is not true. the only game i've had issues with is FarCry 3 and it's choppy even on my GTX570 otherwise i've enjoyed a smooth gaming experience with all my titles. (Oh there is also GTA4 that plays like crap on my 7970)

No one is suggesting that single card radeon setups aren't awesome gaming GPUs. In fact, even as an nVidia owner, all of the empirical evidence suggests a single 7970 is faster and cheaper than a 680!

The problem is with the Crossfire set ups. I think many people aren't even noticing that there's a problem because they're running games that wouldn't even stress a single card, much less a dual card setup and don't realize they're getting close to 50% of the frames they should since they're already over 60 to begin with. And of course, some people just can't notice the microstutter anyways.

Nevertheless, Far Cry 3 is a title that's been addressed and it runs terribly on nVidia and AMD GPUs, in single and dual card set ups. That one gets chalked up to the devs.
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Funny, mine is perfectly smooth...I'm still going to inspect it. there still a possibility that my gpu's are really NVidia in disguise....it's so smooth, just bought dishonored for $14.44 and the damn game is so smooth.

Dishonored is such an easy game for even 1 GPU to handle on 3 monitors, nothing to be seen there.
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Absolutely wonderful post...

If anything, AMD fans should be rejoicing in the performance of the prototype drivers... Just look at how vastly improved they are. Kudos for AMD for that...

And now that the issue of "micro stuttering" is out in the open and the cat is out of the bag - It's only going to get better from here with each company trying to effectively eliminate the issue entirely. My issue isn't with AMD so much as it is with the people that have purchased their products and have acted irrationally and unreasonably throughout this whole ordeal.

Yeah, AMD has been delivering a broken product. The performance was terrible. They acknowledged it, and have made great strides in eliminating the problem, and soon it'll just be an afterthought and the industry gets to move forward with competent competitors that are challenging one another. Bravo to AMD - That's a business lesson that any company can take an example from regardless of their business. That's how you handle a problem. You don't say "This problem doesn't exist, it's just bias" or "eh, I don't notice it", "my performance is so good it doesn't matter even if it does exist".

Imagine the uproar if AMD had been acting like its consumers are acting at the moment

check your yard. help them that needs help you can start here in these threads . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1384998/nv-nvidia-320-00-beta-drivers/130

http://www.overclock.net/t/1374919/guru3d-nvidia-geforce-314-22-driver/160

http://www.overclock.net/t/1362108/be-wary-of-314-07-whql-maybe/40


some have, i believe, given up BF3. what if BF4 is the same way?
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check your yard. help them that needs help you can start here in these threads . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1384998/nv-nvidia-320-00-beta-drivers/130

http://www.overclock.net/t/1374919/guru3d-nvidia-geforce-314-22-driver/160

http://www.overclock.net/t/1362108/be-wary-of-314-07-whql-maybe/40


some have, i believe, given up BF3. what if BF4 is the same way?

Is this really what it's boiled down to? I never said nVidia was perfect. Battlefield works fine for me... But then again I'm using a Titan, so perhaps newer drivers run better with a Titan than they do on year+ old cards. Would make sense. I know there's been some changes of the drivers that have resulted in odd performance with Battlefield. I think the majority of the issues have to do with frame render ahead counts.

But still, I hope you're not trying to do what I think you are - I don't want to turn this into a driver pissing contest, because I'm pretty sure there's no question of which side wins there as well.
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Is this really what it's boiled down to? I never said nVidia was perfect. Battlefield works fine for me... But then again I'm using a Titan, so perhaps newer drivers run better with a Titan than they do on year+ old cards.

But still, I hope you're not trying to do what I think you are - I don't want to turn this into a driver pissing contest, because I'm pretty sure there's no question of which side wins there as well.

you are seeing the light. you guys deserve better for the premium . . . if you know what i mean.

help some 600 series owners. they are the ones having issues. like i said, they deserve your support.
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