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Originally Posted by lajgnd View Post

The issue absolutely exists in every setup.

I think the thing that's questionable is under what conditions it makes itself easily apparent.

For example, if you're running on a 60 hz monitor with Vsync on, playing a game that could pull 70 FPS on a single GPU - You're not going to notice the problem. However, it still exists on your set up.

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I thought this was only a CFX issue..make up stuff much. rolleyes.gif

To say that you are only getting 50% of the CFX is something even Nvidia would not say. Nvper is the only one saying that. So, unless you work for them tongue.gif
In any event, why do you care, if you have a Titan
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Whatever it is. I'm just glad that we as a family enjoy all the games that we play and the quality times on top of it. The smoothness is just amazing that the enjoyment in not interrupted.
    
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post #233 of 311
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Originally Posted by lajgnd View Post

The issue absolutely exists in every setup.

I think the thing that's questionable is under what conditions it makes itself easily apparent.

For example, if you're running on a 60 hz monitor with Vsync on, playing a game that could pull 70 FPS on a single GPU - You're not going to notice the problem. However, it still exists on your set up.

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How do we know that? Nobody and I mean nobody has access to every combination of cpu, ram, motherboard, hard drive and graphics cards to test.

I will admit the problem MIGHT exist on every setup because ultimately the drivers are the issue, but the issue may be so minimal on some setups that the issue would be considered none existent.

The issue is in the drivers and it has to do with the way in which the GPU renders an image.

Now unless some people are using drivers that fundamentally alter the way their GPUs are rendering images, which they're not, then they all have the issue.

Now read what I posted again. I'll reiterate it here for you: The issue DOES exist in every setup. It's really just that simple based on the way AMD's drivers are constructed and the nature of the problem itself. That's not questionable.

What's questionable are the conditions in which the issue manifests itself.
post #235 of 311
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Originally Posted by kzone75 View Post

Have you seen every setup?

I don't need to see all GTX 680 SLI setups to say that all of them have hardware frame metering.

Similarly I don't need to see all 7970 CFX setups to say that AMD does not implement frame metering.

Both pieces of info are readily available and provided to you by Nvidia and AMD. The problems that have been described by countless reviews so far are an inherent problem with having no frame metering. Whether the issue is on every AMD CFX setup or not is not up for debate, that's been proven and is directly caused by the way their driver works. What however is debatable is how the problem effects different users and different usage scenarios.
 
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post #236 of 311
To much philosophy over nothing.
Nvidia when it s cornered invents stuff.

I would go and discuss with VIA CEO in their place and prepare a fusion.
Now while they still can or they will be history with or without their extraordinary drivers , that crashed my PC-s in more number of times than AMD.ones.
   
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on a single GPU - You're not going to notice the problem. However, it still exists on your set up lachen.gif

I thought this was only a CFX issue..make up stuff much. rolleyes.gif

To say that you are only getting 50% of the CFX is something even Nvidia would not say. Nvper is the only one saying that. So, unless you work for them tongue.gif
In any event, why do you care, if you have a Titan

Well correct me if I'm wrong - As I'm not an AMD owner, nor ever will be if they continue with product quality, but on the nVidia side of things, SLI users and single GPU users use the same set of drivers (which is where the heart of the rendering issue is located).

Is that the same for AMD?whistle.gif
post #238 of 311
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The issue is in the drivers and it has to do with the way in which the GPU renders an image.

Now unless some people are using drivers that fundamentally alter the way their GPUs are rendering images, which they're not, then they all have the issue.

Now read what I posted again. I'll reiterate it here for you: The issue DOES exist in every setup. It's really just that simple based on the way AMD's drivers are constructed and the nature of the problem itself. That's not questionable.

What's questionable are the conditions in which the issue manifests itself.

And read my post again. The issue may be so minimal that it may not be noticeable by anyone. You can't tell everyone across the board that they are undoubtedly only seeing 50% of the frames being rendered. I don't think even Nvidia would be so bold.
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Well correct me if I'm wrong - As I'm not an AMD owner, nor ever will be if they continue with product quality, but on the nVidia side of things, SLI users and single GPU users use the same set of drivers (which is where the heart of the rendering issue is located).

Is that the same for AMD?whistle.gif

I used 13.5 beta 2 and it's buttery smooth. thumb.gif

I used 320.00 on gtx 690. it is buttery smooth also. thumb.gif
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Well correct me if I'm wrong - As I'm not an AMD owner, nor ever will be if they continue with product quality, but on the nVidia side of things, SLI users and single GPU users use the same set of drivers (which is where the heart of the rendering issue is located).

Is that the same for AMD?

That's not what Ryan was showing on this video for single gpu 7970 frame times. Where are you getting the single gpu data mixed up with cfx?
Peterson answered a question about whether disabling hardware metering will improve fps. I though he was a bit evasive, but, if it can be disabled, it seems more of a software solution and not some hardware engineering.
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