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I think this is a good video to explain what has gone on and how one team has done it's drivers compared to another. Nvidia just took it a step further in SLI setups to create hardware metering, which is brilliant. I like how he answered honestly too, that some of the reason not to go public as a company was for competition. They are a company after all. it's also good to see AMD is really working on this in their new prototype driver, they have a good set of hardware but not the software team behind it. It shows, which isn't a surprise considering the size of either company.

My personal favorite is how a single GPU solution is still trading blows with dual configs, the Titan is a monster. What is very curious is that before the prototype driver, even though we were getting higher reported FPS with ATI setups they were in fact a lot lower. Now people didn't really understand this and scoffed at the Titan being a good solution. Oddly enough, it was probably a more solid solution for a 1k setup until now (and technically still, since the prototype isn't released). And even then, some setups are going to prefer that as a better solution.

It' was a very good watch, I didn't think of enjoying the whole video but saw it till the end. Should hopefully shed some light on the areas that AMD needs to improve. Just wish somebody would push their nix driver section harder, support for that is.... =( =(
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Would it capture it if I setup a hd video camera? How about record the game on fraps would that work?

FRAPS no, and a video camera would only work if it recorded at higher than your frame rate. So likely also no.
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this is getting ridiculous.....

ITT: People who know your user experience better than you do.
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the titan sure is a smooth beast

Come on AMD, sort my 7950 CF frame times.

Another game that has felt wrong to me for some time is BF3. It doesn't ever feel all that smooth anymore, and when I compare it BC2 which felt silky smooth w/6950 CF and 7950 CF, whatever is the problem, there is a problem for sure
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Well I haven't played Battlefield 3 that much so I must say I probably am ignorant of alot of the GPU related shortcomings of it. I haven't played enough of it recently to really tell.

But, once again, you can't compare a specific title's issues to an entire brand line having issues with every single game.

AMD fans logical reasoning strikes again.

Your attempts to just keep going are shameful at best.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. I'm simply not partial to a single brand like yourself for whatever misguided reason your head has come up with. Not to mention I don't own a single AMD product and won't for a long time so I don't understand how that makes me an AMD fanboy in anyway? I simply from experience know more about this and am in a position to tell you you're exhaudrating. Especially since you've already confirmed you don't own crossfire so how would you know anything about it.

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

The thing you fail to see and have this entire thread and through that video is non perceivable vs perceivable frame time variances. Every set-up has frame time variances. It's when they become regular and perceivable that they distract the user from the experience. This is what's important. Not that it's confirmed AMD doesn't have frame metering and they have the potential to cause microstutter but to what extent it effects the user and when it effects the user.

Simply claiming crossfire is equal to a single card is rediculous. Claiming if the first card can sustain 60FPS by itself then you won't notice the frame timing issues is rediculous and claiming crossfire is broken is even further from the truth.

If you have a crossfire setup that's running at 120FPS (the first card can sustain 60FPS by itself) and the second GPU produces a runt every frame, your observed FPS doesn't suddenly equal 60FPS, nor will it be smooth. Even if every frame from the second card is dropped it won't equal a smooth experience. You will suffer from input lag and animations will not be smooth because content isn't making it to the screen. Every frame has to be spread out 16.6ms consistently to not have issues. And this alone simply proves you have no idea what your barking at people.

Alatar knows what he's talking about, listen to him if you won't listen to the other sane people around here.
    
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Don't. You might find it and the be bothered by it all the time. Just like if you don't notice screen tearing (or bad texture filtering, or aliasing, or whatever) , don't go looking for it.

This.

It's like a cheating girlfriend, if you don't know you don't want to know.
    
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I think the problem here is that if you play with high fps you will not notice the stutter. Almost all the test are done in low fps. If HD 7990 get 120 fps that 8 ms. If you remove the runt the max jump you will get is 16 ms. 8ms is within 10ms most people dont notice area.
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It needed a lot of negative publicity to get AMD to work on the frametime issue. AMD has shown to be reactive more than proactive. So its good that Nvidia is really going after AMD. This will be a reminder to AMD to not let the competition get any advantage or they are going to cause maximum damage.
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It needed a lot of negative publicity to get AMD to work on the frametime issue. AMD has shown to be reactive more than proactive. So its good that Nvidia is really going after AMD. This will be a reminder to AMD to not let the competition get any advantage or they are going to cause maximum damage.

QFT. While the issue is way overblown IMO it is still most definitely real and AMD needs to make it right if for no other reason than to shut up the fanboys...
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QFT. While the issue is way overblown IMO it is still most definitely real and AMD needs to make it right if for no other reason than to put pressure back on NVIDIA, and bring solid competition at all metric levels...

Fixed that for ya. wink.gif

Just imagine when CF is smooth, and AMD has higher FPS, it will cause NVIDIA to re-evaluate their pricing scheme.

7970CF will truly be a viable alternative to a Titan, with no ifs or buts. wink.gif

Maybe one day you'll see me rocking an 8550 + 9970. It'll be at least a year before I even consider an AMD GPU though. ( Premiere CS7 )
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