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Frame rating is been discussed many times. We also know about the graphs, frame rating tools, latency spikes, ect.....all pointed to amd graphics cards. Now, we get a video to better understand how frame rating is all about. What's next? A visit from PCper people to each household to tell us about frame rating in live session? I would love for them to do that so I can slap Ryan in the face. tongue.gif
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I know who I want to slap...... Linus, little punk. tongue.gif
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I know who I want to slap...... Linus, little punk. tongue.gif

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Major case of the fanboys here.

Thanks for posting the vid, I am about halfway through it.
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Not quite sure why anyone would suggest bias in this video.

The data really speaks for itself.

nVidia is clearly the superior product in this case, and you'd actually be biased to think otherwise.

On a graph and in massively slowed down high speed video footage, sure. In actual gameplay not so much. I experienced CF for over a year and there definitely was not such a noticeable amount of stutter that I felt the need to complain about it. My 7970's seemed a lot smoother to me than my previous SLI 580's had so I was quite happy with them. If you look at these graphs and listen to these guys talk you'd think CF 7970's were absolutely unplayable which is just plain rubbish. That's the point I've made all along...
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On a graph and in massively slowed down high speed video footage, sure. In actual gameplay not so much. I experienced CF for over a year and there definitely was not such a noticeable amount of stutter that I felt the need to complain about it. My 7970's seemed a lot smoother to me than my previous SLI 580's had so I was quite happy with them. If you look at these graphs and listen to these guys talk you'd think CF 7970's were absolutely unplayable which is just plain rubbish. That's the point I've made all along...

~50% of the time CF equals 1 GPU, that's the major complain. No gains at all even tho FRAPS shows something else
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On a graph and in massively slowed down high speed video footage, sure. In actual gameplay not so much. I experienced CF for over a year and there definitely was not such a noticeable amount of stutter that I felt the need to complain about it. My 7970's seemed a lot smoother to me than my previous SLI 580's had so I was quite happy with them. If you look at these graphs and listen to these guys talk you'd think CF 7970's were absolutely unplayable which is just plain rubbish. That's the point I've made all along...

You may be right in saying that real life experience may be less dramatic than the data makes it out to be.

That still doesn't change that AMD's data looks downright horrible. And nobody can really blame someone for choosing nVidia based off of data, as it's simply overwhelmingly in their favor. I can however say that someone that picks AMD based on that data is biased, or crazy, or both - Mainly because their results are just absolutely and ridiculously poor. They essentially have a broken product, and that's something no price/performance ratio can fix.

It makes sense that this is the reason nVidia is trying to make such a big deal about this testing methodology then, but can you really blame them for wanting to show off how much better their data are.

The tests and analysis are unbiased and more importantly, relevant.

Nobody can really argue that it makes AMD look horrible. And as someone that hasn't owned an AMD product since the 9700 Pro, I'd be crazy if I just turned my eyes to these results and took the gamble of real life experience being better than the data shows. This data is the exact thing that's keeping me from ever coming back.
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Not quite sure why anyone would suggest bias in this video.

The data really speaks for itself.

nVidia is clearly the superior product in this case, and you'd actually be biased to think otherwise.

On a graph and in massively slowed down high speed video footage, sure. In actual gameplay not so much. I experienced CF for over a year and there definitely was not such a noticeable amount of stutter that I felt the need to complain about it. My 7970's seemed a lot smoother to me than my previous SLI 580's had so I was quite happy with them. If you look at these graphs and listen to these guys talk you'd think CF 7970's were absolutely unplayable which is just plain rubbish. That's the point I've made all along...

Which is your opinion, not shared by all of us. Those that are getting screwed over, for years now, have continually had to listen to the community call us fanboys, or downplay our real issue.

I just got the 690s turned on, and it is a night and day difference from the 7970s. Some games were so bad, they were unplayable. To me, almost every game appeared like Far Cry 3.

Some humans naturally perceive this stutter. If it doesn't affect you, why do you constantly have to get in our way of getting the issue acknowledged and resolved. Why shouldn't we look to a different vendor if they offer something that is better for us? It isn't like this doesn't affect other things such as synchronized animation rendering. EVERYONE benefits from this even if they can't perceive the problem of microstutter/runt frame metering.

I am sure a large majority of people with multi-GPUs wouldn't even notice if one of their GPUs died and were stuck in single GPU for a week. The blind study had people preferring nVidia over AMD in SLI vs CFX. AMDs prototype drivers make the regular drivers look god awful. The 79xx didn't even get real drivers till 12.11. Nearly a year after their launch did they actually give us drivers for our architecture. And that video "slowed" down to 20% is noticeable from the start, which coincidentally starts at regular speed.
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Which is your opinion, not shared by all of us. Those that are getting screwed over, for years now, have continually had to listen to the community call us fanboys, or downplay our real issue.

I just got the 690s turned on, and it is a night and day difference from the 7970s. Some games were so bad, they were unplayable. To me, almost every game appeared like Far Cry 3.

Some humans naturally perceive this stutter. If it doesn't affect you, why do you constantly have to get in our way of getting the issue acknowledged and resolved. Why shouldn't we look to a different vendor if they offer something that is better for us? It isn't like this doesn't affect other things such as synchronized animation rendering. EVERYONE benefits from this even if they can't perceive the problem of microstutter/runt frame metering.

I am sure a large majority of people with multi-GPUs wouldn't even notice if one of their GPUs died and were stuck in single GPU for a week. The blind study had people preferring nVidia over AMD in SLI vs CFX. AMDs prototype drivers make the regular drivers look god awful. The 79xx didn't even get real drivers till 12.11. Nearly a year after their launch did they actually give us drivers for our architecture. And that video "slowed" down to 20% is noticeable from the start, which coincidentally starts at regular speed.

This is like I said all along. Some individuals are affected by and can see micro stutter more so than others. Just like input lag, it affects some individuals more than others. Neither means the issue does not exist, but rather some people are more sensitive to that particular issue.
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This is like I said all along. Some individuals are affected by and can see micro stutter more so than others. Just like input lag, it affects some individuals more than others. Neither means the issue does not exist, but rather some people are more sensitive to that particular issue.

To expand on that a little bit, I think it's also one of those things that once you notice it, there's no going back to not noticing it.

After I began noticing microstutter with SLI, I began to notice CPU microstutter as well from core parking as well. At least it was easy to resolve the core parking problem.
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