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Err people still want to upgrade from older Intel cpus ...still.....I think this has to do more with PC companies (Dell,HP etc..) notebooks and Macs. They need upgrades every year. And I think that's where most of their profit comes from. I don't think Intel cares too much about custom PC builders. Haswell could have been a nice upgrade from SB.
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That's not a favor, that's parking the bus waiting for AMD to catch up and it should anger all enthusiasts. I hope AMD flies by with a THANK YOU INTEL! sign in the window.

These new Haswell benchmarks are extremely disappointing.

lolololol that was too funny.

I agree it seems like Intel is playing the business strategy and not investing money where they don't have too.
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Originally posted by Stay Puft

 

We didnt expect it to be twice as fast. We expected intel to fix the heat issues and expected a solid 10% ipc gain. Both weren't accomplished

Based on a couple of pre-release leaked benchmarks using who knows what BIOSes.  At least wait for a larger sample size before declaring Haswell a failure.

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Based on a couple of pre-release leaked benchmarks using who knows what BIOSes.  At least wait for a larger sample size before declaring Haswell a failure.

Its not technically a failure. Its just not enough of a boost IMO to spend the money on.
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I agree it seems like Intel is playing the business strategy and not investing money where they don't have [to].

How dare a publicly traded corporation focus their energies into higher-growth sectors of the market!
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I don't understand why anyone would expect a new architecture to provide a 5% or higher improvement over the previous... people said Sandy -> Ivy was barely any difference, this is the same if not less... with a new architecture.

It's yet to be seen what kind of OCs people are hitting on average though. Ivy's average seems to be ~4.6GHz; if these can approach 5GHz on average then at least it was worth releasing for the enthusiast market... (not talking about the OEM market where they just want new model names and appreciate the integrated VRMs and lower power consumption, or the notebook market where lower power consumption translates into higher clock speeds at the same TDP and where IGP performance is crucial; in those markets Haswell is definitely worthwhile)

Sandy --> Ivy was a Tick
Ivy --> Haswell is a Tock

5% - 15% was expected, along with higher OC's and ideally lower temps. Right now, it looks to to perform the same as Ivy on that front.

Oh, here's the link you're looking for in regards to Haswell graphics, check out the rest of that preview. wink.gif
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture/12

On a side note, the gaming part can be understandable, considering it was being tested with a 660, perhaps the GPU was the bottleneck. I look forward to real reviews.
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How dare a publicly traded corporation focus their energies into higher-growth sectors of the market!

Lol, did I say that it was a horrible thing for them to do? No. I did not. I do however disagree with it. I think the smart thing to do is keep making leaps and bounds in the desktop CPU market. Don't give AMD a chance to catch up. I would use it to put that much more distance in between me and my competitors. Just my opinion is all. But hey im the guy who will kick a man when hes down so, eh.
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I don't understand why anyone would expect a new architecture to provide a 5% or higher improvement over the previous... people said Sandy -> Ivy was barely any difference, this is the same if not less... with a new architecture.

It's yet to be seen what kind of OCs people are hitting on average though. Ivy's average seems to be ~4.6GHz; if these can approach 5GHz on average then at least it was worth releasing for the enthusiast market... (not talking about the OEM market where they just want new model names and appreciate the integrated VRMs and lower power consumption, or the notebook market where lower power consumption translates into higher clock speeds at the same TDP and where IGP performance is crucial; in those markets Haswell is definitely worthwhile)

Here is the problem:

SB: 5ghz possible with skill
IB: Basically 4.5ghz wall, 5ghz possible if delidding
Has: back to 5ghz with skill

Haswell really isn't that great, it's brought us back to where we were with SB. It's more or less fixing a regression that stems from Intel gimping overclocking for no reason other than "lets make the IHS farther from the die and lets use TIM instead of solder!"

I don't see this being much better than 32nm SB. Haswell only looks so good for overclocking because IB was that bad. At least it looks like the glass ceiling of 4.6ghz might be gone and you might be able to eek a little more out of Haswell.



Looks just like Haswell. Not an improvement from the best, just an improvement from the slump of IB OC.Intel is basically circle jerking everyone.

I don't know what Intel is thinking. Do they think that mobile market is going to magically keep growing? That it's not going to get saturated like desktop? And those IGPU numbers are horrible. Marketing slide with 3dmark11 improvement and it's a massive outlier.
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bad news I guess, still looking on to get my self a six core, probably the 3930k now seeing they havent improved much.
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taking a cue from nvidia eh? i kid tongue.gif
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