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Upgrade path ahead? Huh? What?

Why upgrade in the two year socket life when (Example) A 2600K is not that much slower than a 3770K? There's no such thing as UPGRADE PATH...

A person can still play the latest games very easily with a i7-920. A good CPU will last you about 5yrs, no need to upgrade to another CPU on the 1150 socket, if you do... It will net you about a 10% increase in speed. The only thing I would upgrade a socket would be is technology. Like Z68 didn't offer Thunderbolt, but Z77 does.

A 4770K will be how much faster than a i7-2600K? Maybe 20%? What must have (that will make your Rig run faster) technology does it bring to the table?

I still have a Q6700 which does things pretty well, (except game) I still use the computer.

I did not word my post to make this clear; I am talking about buying a new build from scratch coming from an older gen system, not Sandy/Ivy setup. In reply to this:
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When all is said and done, and hypothetically Haswell is within ~1% performance of IB as these reviews seem to indicate. Is there a reason to choose the Z87 platform over the Z77 platform? Has there been a general feature spreadsheet made to show advantages of the newer chipset?

Unless you can score a really good deal on a Ivy board and chip, and Haswell does not turn out to perform worse on all fronts then there is no reason to buy into a dead end platform.

With regards to an upgrade path, I stated "some" which is at least you can drop in a refresh chip next year - which is more than you have for the 1156 socket.

Your also getting more SATA 3 and USB 3 ports - most users do not need any more than 3 SATA ports, but its there nonetheless.
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With regards to an upgrade path, I stated "some" which is at least you can drop in a refresh chip next year - which is more than you have for the 1156 socket.
What is the upgrade path for 1150 after Haswell then? A Haswell refresh next year?
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What is the upgrade path for 1150 after Haswell then? A Haswell refresh next year?

Precisely.

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So there will be some LGA options ( that are affordable) then as opposed to all BGA?
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This makes perfect sense.
AMD is unlikely to get the 30% IPC increase they will need to match current Intel performance, and Intel desparatley needs work on their IGP.
No time like the present.
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So there will be some LGA options ( that are affordable) then as opposed to all BGA?

Yeah, Intel backed off their all-BGA stance for future chips a couple months back.
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This makes perfect sense.
AMD is unlikely to get the 30% IPC increase they will need to match current Intel performance, and Intel desparatley needs work on their IGP. No time like the present.

Doubly so, since the mobile market is growing much faster than desktop. Every dollar that Intel can keep laptop OEMs from spending on AMD/NVIDIA graphics chips instead of Haswell's GT3/GT3e graphics is a dollar added to their bottom line.
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this already, but couldn't this review sample be another one of those severely battered units doing the rounds?
will still wait for official release, and most certainly a more knowledgeable OCN review.

Or I could break out my jump to conclusions mat.
    
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this already, but couldn't this review sample be another one of those severely battered units doing the rounds? will still wait for official release, and most certainly a more knowledgeable OCN review.

Or I could break out my jump to conclusions mat.

While breaking out the mat would be more fun, I'm content in waiting the 3 weeks 'til the NDA lifts. It's not like this is quantum physics, where observing something changes the outcome...

At least no one will be left holding the bag in terms of buying a compatible motherboard before having the opportunity to see how Haswell performs first! (cough, Bulldozer, cough)

Whoa! Better get the decongestant, might be catching a nasty cold...
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This makes perfect sense.
AMD is unlikely to get the 30% IPC increase they will need to match current Intel performance, and Intel desparatley needs work on their IGP.
No time like the present.

They never were even supposed to get a 30% IPC improvement...

The 30% number is IPS improvement over bulldozer. It's part of AMD's 15%/year plan.
 
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Having said this, I'm curious to see some of these early reviews attempt to delid the chip. As of now, it really seems like Intel is going with TIM again, which is rather disappointing, but then again, since they are going to release IB-E later in the year, Haswell was doomed from the start to have the same problem as IB, it can't do much better, otherwise socket 2011 enthusiasts won't be happy about it, this is the problem Intel has with releasing the enthusiast socket after the mainstream socket, I'm wondering how they are going to fix this in the future, if ever. One way is to skip Haswell-E altogether and release Broadwell-E first.

They did it right with releasing X58 first, P55 after, as it is now, they will be making compromises that are certain to make some people unhappy.

In the past few years Intel has been integrating things into the CPU, first more cores, then the memory controller, then the whole Northbridge, including graphics, and bringing back HT in between, so I can give them some slack for opting to improve certain areas in order to be competitive with AMD, such as the GPU. Considering how far behind AMD is in some scenarios, I can understand this seemingly atypically anemic CPU performance increase going from what is supposed to be a TICK CPU-wise, when in reality this is more like a TOCK within the same manufacturing process.

I like the point you make about the socket 2011, especially since it so far the only socket on the market that supports quad channel memory. I've not had an Intel based computer since I had my P4 Northwood B, and that thing held it's own for the better part of 5 years before I got back into gaming and, by necessity, chose to upgrade. One thing I'm wondering with this basically ghost step in performance it seems the Haswell is going to be, should I save up for an IB-E at the end of the year, or just go with a 3770K and put off the "all-in top of the line" philosophy for a build in a few years (late 2016) when we're really going to start getting to see the results of AMD's big R&D push to see if they're actually going to succeed in achieving the competitive par they once held with Intel?
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