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sounds like a crappy experience.  

Absolutely. Because you will be running Crysis 3 and rendering something over SolidWorks at the same time you stream 1080p video to your TV with a sub-400€ 11.6 inch 8W TDP netbook.

1/3 the performance at 1/10 the power consumption? That's a pretty freaking good power efficiency in my book.
   
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it runs about as fast as the Core i3 2367m @1.4Ghz and the core i3 has a TDP of 17w so the reviewer was right about the IPC being on par with SB and the plus is that the graphics are better than SB too, AMD might have a winner here. It's a shame Haswell is only a month away though. As for the people saying this is slow i couldn't disagree more.
I have an ultrabook with a core i5-2467m (same IPC as the i3) with a base clock of 1.6Ghz and Boosts to 2Ghz on 2 cores and 2.3 Ghz on 1 core. I turn the powersaver option on to minimize fan noise and it pretty much sits at 800Mhz 90% of the time i browse the web and it feels very zippy. Even watching a 1080p youtube video, the highest it boosts to is 1.2Ghz to load up the page then back to 800Mhz when actually playing the content.

I'm sure if Acer added an SSD to this thing there would be absolutely no difference between an intel ULV processor and this thing in casual day to day usage. Of course if you do editing or anything that requires power then intel is still your only choice but there is a price to pay for it.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i3-2367M-Notebook-Processor.64165.0.html this is a sandy bridge with the exact same CPU clock as the 1450 @1.4Ghz.
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Acer Aspire V5-122 Touch is rumored to be 450 and now compare it to Asus VivoBook X202E-BH91T-CB that costs 500$, so now you look at the specs of these two "ultrabooks" and here where the fun starts...

Acer Aspire V5 Touch has an quad core A6-1450 Kabini 28nm clocked at 1/1.4Ghz with scoring 0.85 on default clocks and 1.23 at boost clocks, its GPU is Radeon HD 8280G!

Asus VivoBook X202E-BH91T-CB has an dual core Pentium B987 32nm clocked at 1.5Ghz and scores 0.85 at default clocks and has no boost, its GPU/IGP is Intel GMA HD series!

Both have same screen resolution and battery life!

Your ultrabook with i5 3317U costs around 900$ and scores on average 2.1 to 2.4 with boost while when at 1.7Ghz scores 1.6-1.7 in Cinebench 11.5 CPU test, its GPU is Intel HD Graphics 4000 and scores 10-15.5 in Cinebench 11.5 Open GL test depending on product.

Acer Aspire V5-122 GPU Radeon HD 8280G scores 8.53 at default clocks and in boost clocks scores 10.33 in Cinebench 11.5 Open GL test.

So the conclusion is when comparing i5 3317U and A6-1450:
- i5 3317U 22nm is around twice as fast as A6-1450 28nm in stock and boost clocks
- i5 3317U GPU is one third faster than A6-1450 GPU
- i5 3317U has HyperThreading and gives an additional boost in performance
- i5 3317U in total has 3.4/5.2Ghz Turbo and A6-1450 has 4Ghz/5.6Ghz boost
- A6-1450 power consumption is around 5-12 watts(min-max)
- i5 3317U power consumption is around 6-17 watts(min-max)
- i5 3317U 6 watt power consumption when down clocked to 800mhz!

A6-1450 clocked at 2Ghz would equal to i5 3317 clocked 1.7Ghz...
Edited by vampirr - 5/11/13 at 9:27am
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@lacrossewacker

Acer Aspire V5-122 Touch is rumored to be 450 and now compare it to Asus VivoBook X202E-BH91T-CB that costs 500$, so now you look at the specs of these two "ultrabooks" and here where the fun starts...

Acer Aspire V5 Touch has an quad core A6-1450 Kabini 28nm clocked at 1/1.4Ghz with scoring 0.85 on default clocks and 1.23 at boost clocks, its GPU is Radeon HD 8280G!

Asus VivoBook X202E-BH91T-CB has an dual core Pentium B987 32nm clocked at 1.5Ghz and scores 0.85 at default clocks and has no boost, its GPU/IGP is Intel GMA HD series!

Both have same screen resolution and battery life!

Your ultrabook with i5 3317U costs around 900$ and scores on average 2.1 to 2.4 with boost while when at 1.7Ghz scores 1.6-1.7 in Cinebench 11.5 CPU test, its GPU is Intel HD Graphics 4000 and scores 10-15.5 in Cinebench 11.5 Open GL test depending on product.

Acer Aspire V5-122 GPU Radeon HD 8280G scores 8.53 at default clocks and in boost clocks scores 10.33 in Cinebench 11.5 Open GL test.

So the conclusion is when comparing i5 3317U and A6-1450:
- i5 3317U 22nm is around twice as fast as A6-1450 28nm in stock and boost clocks
- i5 3317U GPU is one third faster than A6-1450 GPU
- i5 3317U has HyperThreading and gives an additional boost in performance
- i5 3317U in total has 3.4/5.2Ghz Turbo and A6-1450 has 4Ghz/5.6Ghz boost
- A6-1450 power consumption is around 5-12 watts(min-max)
- i5 3317U power consumption is around 6-17 watts(min-max)
- i5 3317U 6 watt power consumption when downclocked to 800mhz!
clock speeds don't work like that dude.

2 cores at 2ghz don't equal 4ghz. If you have a single threaded application the fastest your CPU will process the data is at 2Ghz, if it's multi threaded very well, it will do it at twice the speed. It's not like a GPU where adding more cores adds more performance in everything, adding more cores to a CPU only increases performance in multithreaded applications. Also AMDs "cores" aren't true cores and use a method similar to hyperthreading so you can't knock on the i5 3317U for that.
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clock speeds don't work like that dude.

2 cores at 2ghz don't equal 4ghz. If you have a single threaded application the fastest your CPU will process the data is at 2Ghz, if it's multi threaded very well, it will do it at twice the speed. It's not like a GPU where adding more cores adds more performance in everything, adding more cores to a CPU only increases performance in multithreaded applications. Also AMDs "cores" aren't true cores and use a method similar to hyperthreading so you can't knock on the i5 3317U for that.

Do not mix one Bulldozer/Piledriver Module, with Jaguar CPU(Compute Unit) his cores are true and completely independent(as Phenom II or Athlon II CPU) and it is a known fact for a long time. biggrin.gif



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Do not mix one Bulldozer/Piledriver Module, with Jaguar CPU(Compute Unit) his cores are true and completely independent(as Phenom II or Athlon II CPU) and it is a known fact for a long time. biggrin.gif



They changed them? News to me lol. After Bulldozer i kinda lost interest in AMDs CPUs but this new architecture warrants some effort on my part to get re-educated on them lol thumb.gif

Still though, if these are full independent cores doesn't that mean that single threaded performance will be lower to the SB equivalent? in cinebench my ultrabook CPU gets 0.9 points but in the multithreaded test it gets between 1.8-1.9.
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it runs about as fast as the Core i3 2367m @1.4Ghz and the core i3 has a TDP of 17w so the reviewer was right about the IPC being on par with SB and the plus is that the graphics are better than SB too, AMD might have a winner here. It's a shame Haswell is only a month away though. As for the people saying this is slow i couldn't disagree more.
I have an ultrabook with a core i5-2467m (same IPC as the i3) with a base clock of 1.6Ghz and Boosts to 2Ghz on 2 cores and 2.3 Ghz on 1 core. I turn the powersaver option on to minimize fan noise and it pretty much sits at 800Mhz 90% of the time i browse the web and it feels very zippy. Even watching a 1080p youtube video, the highest it boosts to is 1.2Ghz to load up the page then back to 800Mhz when actually playing the content.

I'm sure if Acer added an SSD to this thing there would be absolutely no difference between an intel ULV processor and this thing in casual day to day usage. Of course if you do editing or anything that requires power then intel is still your only choice but there is a price to pay for it.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i3-2367M-Notebook-Processor.64165.0.html this is a sandy bridge with the exact same CPU clock as the 1450 @1.4Ghz.
Reading this thread is amazing to hear people talking that AMD Temash IPC performannce per watt is comparable to Sandy or Ivy Ultrabooks. AFAIK When has that ever happened in the last 5 years? Many are comparing a 17 watt Intel chip to a 6-8 watt SoC temash. This chip is designed for the tablet/netbook industry with this one geared towards high performance tablets/netbooks and the dual core which is even lower wattage for mainstream. The one other point about this SoC is that the FCH is on chip where the Intel is not, adding more wattage to the overall system. If we really want to compare this to something we should compare it to other tablet or netbook processors. Haswell is not the future competition for this it is the silvermount series. They say that the new series will have 2X the IPC of the current atom which is a 1.66 ghz chip that has a .48 cinebench score. When we start to see the Kabini class of processors which will be 9 -25 watts that would be the more appropriate IMO comparison to Ultrabook ULV's
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I can't wait for Temash and x86 tablets with a decent GPU (for tablets). I hope these tablets are cheaper than current x86 ones because I wouldn't mind one, Android is useless as far as I see it.
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Absolutely. Because you will be running Crysis 3 and rendering something over SolidWorks at the same time you stream 1080p video to your TV with a sub-400€ 11.6 inch 8W TDP netbook.

1/3 the performance at 1/10 the power consumption? That's a pretty freaking good power efficiency in my book.

 

not read my second post where I elaborated?  

 

What do i mean by "loss of zippyness?"

I mean, these tablets won't be able to smoothly render OCN.net!! (I have it set for 100 posts per page)

 

Don't care about battery life if it's always jittery.  

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Reading this thread is amazing to hear people talking that AMD Temash IPC performannce per watt is comparable to Sandy or Ivy Ultrabooks. AFAIK When has that ever happened in the last 5 years? Many are comparing a 17 watt Intel chip to a 6-8 watt SoC temash. This chip is designed for the tablet/netbook industry with this one geared towards high performance tablets/netbooks and the dual core which is even lower wattage for mainstream. The one other point about this SoC is that the FCH is on chip where the Intel is not, adding more wattage to the overall system. If we really want to compare this to something we should compare it to other tablet or netbook processors. Haswell is not the future competition for this it is the silvermount series. They say that the new series will have 2X the IPC of the current atom which is a 1.66 ghz chip that has a .48 cinebench score. When we start to see the Kabini class of processors which will be 9 -25 watts that would be the more appropriate IMO comparison to Ultrabook ULV's
You're probably right about this competing with atom and all but this thing runs at 14w when running at 1.4Ghz which is comparable to ULV processors. Plus it is in an "ultrabook" in this review even if it isn't officially called one. Netbooks are history and Tablets have intel ULV processors in them as well and alot of the new ultrabooks will have detachable tablets depending on their price range.
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