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Not only more expensive but much higher failure rate, noisier, way more complicated, being sealed 3-5 years max life (pump probably won't last more than 3) and if pump fails system is dead until you put another cooler on.

Air cooler only has fan / fans to fail.. and if one does it's a simple matter to put another on.. even if only temporary while getting a better replacement. Air is cheaper, quieter, more dependable, better resale, etc. Air wins hands down..

Pretty much all of this is false.

Most of it seems to be speculation at best.
    
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Well the NH C14 DOES NOT WORK!, Ran prime small FFTs and it maxed out at 80 and my PC turned itself off. mad.gif

Reseated twice. Well thats 80 bux down the drain. mad.gifmad.gifmad.gifmad.gif

I'll recommend the H100i one more time. I'm at 4.8GHz tonight, hovering around 53c. I know you said you dont like AIO water for whatever reason, but I'm tellin you, these things work.
    
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Your case has 158mm CPU clearance.
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It’s to the CPU cooler region that we struggle. Installed within Outlaw is the Noctua NH-U12P with a height of 158mm. With the side panel on, we are literally 1mm from the heatpipes touching. So we really cannot fit anything bigger than 158mm in height here.
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/bitfenix_outlaw_review,7.html

So there are many normal front to back towers that will fit.

But I don't think the cooler is the problem. My guess is airflow is your problem. I'm guessing that your case air is heating up and this hotter air is being pulled back into cooler. If the air into cooler is 10c hotter than room than CPU temp goes up 10c.. and the cooler exhaust goes up 10c and now the air going into cooler is 20c hotter than room.. next time 30c.. I'm guessing your CPU heat took 5-10minutes, maybe more, before it shutdown. That's my guess because the NH-C14 has good cooling ability... if it gets cool air.

I have had good luck reversing the fans on this type of cooler so the heated exhaust air blows out the side panel vent instead of blowing onto motherboard, being turned back toward intake of cooler by RAM, GPU, etc. and getting sucked back into cooler.

Try it and let me know what happens.

Is it possible to return and exchange the NH-C14 for something else?

If you could exchange it I'm pretty certain the DeepCool Assassin would fit. It's158mm without fans, 160mm with, but it's the middle fan that is 2mm taller and I'm thinking you could slide it in 2mm.
Edited by doyll - 5/12/13 at 2:34am
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I found this input from @xbournex (Bitfenix Manufacturer Rep):

Maximum height of CPU coolers is 156mm, give or take depending on the motherboard and the stand offs used.
However, here are a few reviews to look at:

BitFenix Outlaw PC Case

This is the Prolimatech Lynx. 159.5mm.

BitFenix Outlaw Mid-Tower ATX Case Review | Futurelooks

FutureLooks actually puts in a D14 into the Outlaw, but with the removal of the 140mm fan in the center. You'd have to use 120.
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Not only more expensive but much higher failure rate, noisier, way more complicated, being sealed 3-5 years max life (pump probably won't last more than 3) and if pump fails system is dead until you put another cooler on.

Air cooler only has fan / fans to fail.. and if one does it's a simple matter to put another on.. even if only temporary while getting a better replacement. Air is cheaper, quieter, more dependable, better resale, etc. Air wins hands down..

wth.gif

Tell that to my GTX 480 under the mod. Thing sounded like a vacuum cleaner under load until I put an Antec 620 on the sucker.

What are you talking about better resale? What makes an air cooler sell for more than a CLC?

Look I understand we all have our differing opinions, but at least respect logic when mashing yours out on the keyboard...
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Good finds edsai. thumb.gif

So Assassin and NH-D14 should both fit. I find the FutureLooks statement of using 120mm middle fan interesting in that I have seen many images of middle fan not sticking up any higher then the ends of heatpipes. And Noctua specs say 160mm height with and without fans. Maybe someone with the NH-D14 can tell us if this is true.

As DeepCool Assassin is 158mm without and 160mm with it should fit as well.. maybe even easier as it's 2mm shorter.
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Not only more expensive but much higher failure rate, noisier, way more complicated, being sealed 3-5 years max life (pump probably won't last more than 3) and if pump fails system is dead until you put another cooler on.

Air cooler only has fan / fans to fail.. and if one does it's a simple matter to put another on.. even if only temporary while getting a better replacement. Air is cheaper, quieter, more dependable, better resale, etc. Air wins hands down..

wth.gif

Tell that to my GTX 480 under the mod. Thing sounded like a vacuum cleaner under load until I put an Antec 620 on the sucker.

What are you talking about better resale? What makes an air cooler sell for more than a CLC?

Look I understand we all have our differing opinions, but at least respect logic when mashing yours out on the keyboard...
Using a Antec 620 on a GTX 480 is not something users normally do... but putting putting one on a CPU is normal. To me it is not logical to pick a rarely done application of Antec 620 as a valid argument.

Resale issues are simple, starting with many more people looking for used air coolers than CLC. I see used air coolers sell quickly on forums but CLC take much longer to sell. Air coolers have nothing to go wrong except the fans, which rarely fail, and if they do it cheap to replace. CLC have fans that are also easy to replace, but also have a pump sealed into system that cannot be replaces, a water filled radiator with thin tubes to possibly fail, plus fittings and hose to fail.

And after all this is an air cooled forum, not water or CLC. thumb.gif
Edited by doyll - 5/12/13 at 6:47am
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Yeah, agreed.

Honestly I wound't rely only what the Vortex review said about the CPU clearance.

There's others cases reviewed by Vortex and actually that cases supports higher heatsinks without much issues.
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Not only more expensive but much higher failure rate, noisier, way more complicated, being sealed 3-5 years max life (pump probably won't last more than 3) and if pump fails system is dead until you put another cooler on.

Air cooler only has fan / fans to fail.. and if one does it's a simple matter to put another on.. even if only temporary while getting a better replacement. Air is cheaper, quieter, more dependable, better resale, etc. Air wins hands down..

Pretty much all of this is false.

Most of it seems to be speculation at best.



Tell that to all the CLC cooler owners, especially H100, H80, H100i and H80i owners who have had their cooler fail, sometimes 2 and 3 times.

Please elaborate how it is false and speculation.

It's easy to find these. Just google "H80 problems", "H100 problems", "H80i problems" and "H100i problems". Lots of defective and failure issues.

Than google for NH-D14, DeepCool Assassin, TC14PE, Silver Arrow SB-E problems and see how many you find that are defective and failure issues.
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Yeah, agreed.

Honestly I wound't rely only what the Vortex review said about the CPU clearance.

There's others cases reviewed by Vortex and actually that cases supports higher heatsinks without much issues.
I agree. That's why I included link. There's a picture of the U12P under the side cover grill. You can see how close the heatpipe tip is to grill.
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