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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I was referring to your previous post:
I have never seen a review with NH-D14 being 10.5c hotter than the others with similar fans.
I was not questioning nor asking for explanation of cooling.
You are new to forum and don't know who is knowledgeable and who isn't.

I have many sources of data including 117w, 175w, 232w, 290w & 345w heat under most popular coolers showing NH-D14, SA SB-E & TC14PE all within 3.5c @ 345w heat.

Heh, you didn't quite read my post all the way. The 10.5C figure was for the stock vs stock fans(shown in that graph), which you and I both know the SB-Extreme has much cooler stock fans then the NH-D14. Using similar fans, it should be only 1-2C hotter or so(if that), as I mentioned later on in the post. Just a tiny misunderstanding there biggrin.gif
My bad. Just got up and on first cup of coffee ;p

I've guessed the NH-D14 being around 1-2C hotter based on the passive cooling difference of 1-2C as well as other tests that showed the NH-D14 running 2C hotter then the Phanteks when both are using NF-P14's
On other tests, yes. On passive temps,I don't think is reasonable comparison. Too much difference between passive and forced air cooling.

On another note, anyone have experience with Akasa, BitFenix, Cooljag ect. case fans? I havent seen them anywhere else, but they have offerings on FrozenCPU that appear to rival TY-143's performance while having high pressure and/or lower noise. Also, after having heard what the Delta 241CFM fans sound like, i've realized I probably won't be able to stand a fan higher then 45DBa or so tongue.gif

This one has a nice pressure, low 30DBa and pushes nearly as much air as a TY-143: http://goo.gl/6lRnW
This 32mm width ones about as noisy as a TY-143 but has a crazy air pressure of 6 mmH20 http://goo.gl/K0G75
If that spec is accurate. Most are not. TY-143 is very good and reasonably quiet below 1200-1300rpm.

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Originally Posted by Garzhad View Post

Current market prices/performance diff from SB-Extreme
Silverstone HE01 - $75/+2.1C
Phanteks TC14PE - $80/+2C
SB-Extreme - $93/0
NH-D14 - $80/+10.5C

Silverstone SE02[P] 50.2c = 2.1c
PH-TC14PE ??.? +2c Where does this come from? Not on chart. ???
SA SB-E Extreme 48.1c = 0c Normal SA SB-E would be approx. 56.1c = +8c (PC-Cooling TV review)
NH-D14 SE2011 58.6c = 10.5c
Alpenfohn K2 59c = 11.1c Darn good cooler too.

Original Silver Arrow is right in here too.. and the FHP141fan will fit between towers. wink.gif
My guess is the FHP141 is not a full 171cfm.. probably more like 150cfm.. Would love to give them a try and see how Silver Arrow, SA SB-E and Phanteks would perform with a pair of them. biggrin.gif

Edit: Here's link to the Jalapeno temp chart
http://www.thelab.gr/heatsinks-coolers-watercooling-reviews/cpu-cooler-review-database-89014.html
Edited by doyll - 5/18/13 at 9:05am
post #32 of 89
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"PH-TC14PE ??.? +2c Where does this come from? Not on chart. ???"
Unfortunately Vortez did no review the Phanteks yet. The +2C comes from the huge data set PontiacGTX has in his signature. http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1433177/

"Would love to give them a try and see how Silver Arrow, SA SB-E and Phanteks would perform with a pair of them."
Likewise, but $50 on top of the Phanteks or SA SB-Ex for a few C's is kinda pricey. $25 on top of the HE01 to get two of them is more reasonable, but it looks like the fans sit so low that they would be occupying part of the RAM slots biggrin.gif

Edit: Is the Jalapeno link based on Actual processor tests or simple heat dissipation? Frostytech does their tests like that instead of testing them on an actual CPU and i've come across people that really question the viability of such tests, as according to FT the Spire Thermax Eclipse II bests the Phanteks and D-14's(which are neck and neck on FT) by 2C even though going by real tests on a 3960k @ 4.375ghz 1.38v the Phanteks is 4.5C cooler then the D-14(I havent found any other tests performed on the Eclipse 2 personally)
Edited by Garzhad - 5/18/13 at 9:24am
post #33 of 89
Right now here the SA SB-E Extreme is £54.00 and TY-143 fans are £8.40 biggrin.gif

I don't think a second FHP141 on HE01 will make but maybe 1c difference. Doubt it's worth the extra money.
post #34 of 89
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Right now here the SA SB-E Extreme is £54.00 and TY-143 fans are £8.40 biggrin.gif

I don't think a second FHP141 on HE01 will make but maybe 1c difference. Doubt it's worth the extra money.

Yeah, the Extreme is $10 more over here, but I can also get them tax and shipping free and have it within 2 days.
1-2C diff for adding another fan seems to be around the norm, I think. I know most of the temp graphs i've seen from people adding a third fan to D-14's and such only getting an additional 1-2C, if that.
In that case, I can't really see the 1-2C difference of putting 2 FHP'as on the SB-Extreme being worth the $143, but if you were going to upgrade the fans anyway you'd want the Phanteks regardless. $130 total with hopefully 5-6C cooler temps then the SB-Extreme sounds somewhat tempting.

Edit: Sweet Jeebus can get the FHP-141's on Amazon for the same price as the Ty-143's. This changes everything. XD
Still browsing for more actual results on it, but a fan testing blog shows it as more then twice as powerful as a NF-A14 FLX in all respects, and jus' fer fun, the guy measured the wind speed it produces, and it fires out at ~13MPH.
Edited by Garzhad - 5/18/13 at 10:16am
post #35 of 89
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I was referring to your previous post:


I have many sources of data including 117w, 175w, 232w, 290w & 345w heat under most popular coolers showing NH-D14, SA SB-E & TC14PE all within 3.5c @ 345w heat.
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at 345w TDP no heatsink can keep difference between its performance and the others


Edited by PontiacGTX - 5/18/13 at 12:32pm
post #36 of 89
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I was referring to your previous post:


I have many sources of data including 117w, 175w, 232w, 290w & 345w heat under most popular coolers showing NH-D14, SA SB-E & TC14PE all within 3.5c @ 345w heat.
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at 345w TDP no heatsink can keep difference between its performance and the others Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

No idea what that means.
That's an old graph. IFX-14 first came out in April 2007, Noctua NH-D14 November 2009, Cogage Arrow in April 2010, Silver Arrow a few months later.
post #37 of 89
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No idea what that means.
That's an old graph. IFX-14 first came out in April 2007, Noctua NH-D14 November 2009, Cogage Arrow in April 2010, Silver Arrow a few months later.
your statement about 345w TDP is false
post #38 of 89
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post #39 of 89
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Well, there is one problem with the FHP-141's. They are 13mm's wider then the stock fans of the SB-Extreme and Phanteks, which would basically make them unusable, I think. They certainly won't fit Between the towers, and I think a 2nd back mounted one would be literally pressing into the rear exhaust fan, if it fit at all. Hrm. Even so, the FHP's would probably be awesome with two mounted on the side of a CM HAF case to keep the GPU's cool.

You could theoretically use 2 FHP-141's in the SB-Extreme in a (fan)|||(empty space)|||(fan) push-pull config and still have space for rear exhaust since it's a full 40mm thinner then it's competitors, but it isn't likely to be any better then a TC14PE with TY-143's at a higher cost.

So at this point i'm probably just going to grab the Phanteks, bit cheaper, tiny bit hotter then the SB-Extreme, yes, but it's cheaper to replace the fans then the entire cooler, and with the Phanteks an extra 5C cooling is only a few clicks and $30 away, /If/ I even need it.

For cases, I really like how the CM HAF XM looks. Lot of nice features. Would probably get 3 FHP-141's for the 2 side coolers and rear exhaust, and either get another of whatever 200mm fan CM puts in there to begin with, or, if they suck, just replace them with 3 of the most excellent-seeming BitFenix Spectre Pro 200mm's @ 148CFM, 1.26 mmh20 and 27.5DBa for the front intake and top exhausts.

However, i'm always open to better suggestions on cases/fans, can't hurt to look into it further.
Edited by Garzhad - 5/18/13 at 10:28pm
post #40 of 89
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

your statement about 345w TDP is false

If you make bold statements all the time, why dont you give actual arguments?
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