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Originally Posted by Elohim View Post

That's true. Performance wise the Phanteks (using the same fans) is a tad better than the rest, if we look at the vast majority of reviews, but the difference is really neglectable.
The Phanteks does have a bit better mounting and better build quality though, the Silver Arrow on the other hand comes with better fans....

The bequiet Dark Rock Pro 2 is also worth a mention since it comes with the best (silence oriented) stock fans out of all Dual Tower coolers. The next interesting product will be the Noctua D14 successor, since we can be sure that it will not be worse than the original, plus it will most likely come with their new and totally awesome A15/F12 fans...

The Phanteks is smaller than the Silver Arrow SB-E though?
Dimensions: 134 x 140 x 160mm (159 x 140 x 171mm (LxWxH) with fans)
vs
L 154 mm x W103 mm x H165 mm of Silver Arrow SB-E


The Be Quiet and Noctua solutions don't use protruding fans (unless you swap the Noctua NF-A15 into the Noctua NH-D14 then it needs an extra 8mm height due to the stock fan clips)

Be Quiet did quite well up until about 130W (I guess the low speed fans limit it):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6830/cpu-air-cooler-roundup-six-coolers-from-noctua-silverstone-and-cooler-master/5
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/be_quiet_dark_rock_pro_2_review,9.html
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/henry-butt/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-2-cpu-cooler-review/5/
http://www.eteknix.com/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-2-review/6/
http://us.hardware.info/reviews/3960/9/33-cpu-cooler-group-test-cool-quiet-and-both-test-results-socket-2011-160-watts
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4753/be_quiet_dark_rock_pro_2_dual_tower_cpu_cooler_review/index7.html
http://www.overclockers.com/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-2-review
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2012/07/12/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-2-review/2
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1619/pg4/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-2-cpu-cooler-review-test-specs-and-performance.html
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cooling/42937-intel-ivy-bridge-cpu-7-way-cooler-group-test/?page=3
Edited by AlphaC - 5/20/13 at 12:20pm
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The Phanteks is smaller than the Silver Arrow SB-E though?


Yeah, although the Phanteks is much thicker compared to the SA with overall more surface area. But why do you bring the height up anyway? ::
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post #63 of 89
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post


any other thing you say about better temperature by 5ªC+ at 120w(using same fans on all) are only biased benchmarks from Phanteks or Thermalright Fanboys

So your saying basically, out of those top 4-5 dual-tower coolers, just pick the one you like the look of best? biggrin.gif
A difference of nearly 4c does seem a bit much, though. I've seen a number of comparisons, including those in your sig, that paint them as all being within 1-2c of eachother. Maybe 4c+ would be possible if it was some ultra-densely fin packed, high surface area sink using high pressure fans, but i've seen nothing like this.
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

all heatsinks must be at the same temperature bcuz they are almost the same in cooling surface area. not big enough for being 3.7ªC cooler using stock fans/ being passive

in real world no heatsinks make a difference of 3ªC being both dual towers bcuz there is a margin of error of 1ªC, amount of TIM used and the variation of ambient temperature

for example the difference between NH D14 and HE01 is 0, they perform the same within 1ªC margin of error, and HE01 has slightly more cooling surface area
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
NH U12P SE1366 as good as IFX 14 overclocking a i7 920 with a little difference of 5ªC (single tower vs dual) thumb.gif[2 or 3~C margin error from the coolest]

any other thing you say about better temperature by 5ªC+ at 120w(using same fans on all) are only biased benchmarks from Phanteks or Thermalright Fanboys

Please so me data with reference links to this rationalization.
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Originally Posted by Garzhad View Post

So your saying basically, out of those top 4-5 dual-tower coolers, just pick the one you like the look of best? biggrin.gif
A difference of nearly 4c does seem a bit much, though. I've seen a number of comparisons, including those in your sig, that paint them as all being within 1-2c of eachother. Maybe 4c+ would be possible if it was some ultra-densely fin packed, high surface area sink using high pressure fans, but i've seen nothing like this.
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Please so me data with reference links to this rationalization.
basically any dual tower reaches SAME FRECUENCY as any other high heatisnk does with a difference of 3ªC or 2

for sure more TOA will make temperature more paired

TR SA SB-E is cooler than Phanteks but phanteks reaches more frecuency, is it right?
we dont know bcuz there is a margin of error mounting HSFs

only high end heatsinks make a difference against single towers (mid range)... and between them(dual towers) they are all the same, I only quote part of frecuency.... if I would like to see more accurate benchmarks I could use these


http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1926/6/
or

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/noctua_nh_u14s_review,9.html
NH D14 SE0211/K2/=low performance fans....=poor static pressure/bad mounted...
Edited by PontiacGTX - 5/20/13 at 3:16pm
post #66 of 89
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX

in real world no heatsinks make a difference of 3ªC being both dual towers bcuz there is a margin of error of 1ªC, amount of TIM used and the variation of ambient temperature

any other thing you say about better temperature by 5ªC+ at 120w(using same fans on all) are only biased benchmarks from Phanteks or Thermalright Fanboys
Forget 120w. Real world overclocking is often more than 120w with more than 5c difference in cooling.
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

basically any dual tower reaches SAME FRECUENCY as any other high heatisnk does with a difference of 3ªC or 2

for sure more TOA will make temperature more paired

TR SA SB-E is cooler than Phanteks but phanteks reaches more frecuency, is it right?
we dont know bcuz there is a margin of error mounting HSFs
Your own data proves you are wrong:
Silver Arrow SB-E 1270/1010rpm 73.7c @ 4.5GHz
NH-D14 SE2011 120/140mm 1270rpm 81c @ 4.5GHz
That's 7.3c difference same CPU GHz and similar fan speed, much more than the 3c you claim above.
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

only high end heatsinks make a difference against single towers (mid range)... and between them(dual towers) they are all the same, I only quote part of frecuency.... if I would like to see more accurate benchmarks I could use these
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1926/6/
or Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/noctua_nh_u14s_review,9.html
NH D14 SE0211/K2/=low performance fans....=poor static pressure/bad mounted...
Statistics don't lie, but some people manipulate the statistics to prove their false claims.

At first you were trying to understand how cooling worked. Now you act like you know it all.. and you don't.
You really need to learn how coolers work and what actually increases or decreases their ability to cool before you start trying to tell others what is what.

Cooler area is not the only factor in cooling ability.

Number, length and type of heat pipes, number of fins, placement of pipes, type of base, how pipes are attached to base, how fins are attached to pipes, thickness of fins all play a part in cooling ability.

Sorry to be so blunt but some of your statements are just not true or accurate.
Edited by doyll - 5/20/13 at 5:03pm
post #67 of 89
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Originally Posted by Elohim View Post

Yeah, although the Phanteks is much thicker compared to the SA with overall more surface area. But why do you bring the height up anyway? ::

Phanteks has more case + Mobo compatibility smile.gif
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I went with a hyper 212 plus. It was okay for a while. I had my cpu overclocked to 4.3 ghz while the temperature at full load is under 70 degree celsius. For normal gaming, the cpu doesn't get above 60 at all.

I say, if you want to go anything above 4.3 ghz, you'd want a much better cooler like the noctua U 14s or U12s or one of the kraken.
post #69 of 89
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Forget 120w. Real world overclocking is often more than 120w with more than 5c difference in cooling.
Your own data proves you are wrong:
Silver Arrow SB-E 1270/1010rpm 73.7c @ 4.5GHz
NH-D14 SE2011 120/140mm 1270rpm 81c @ 4.5GHz
That's 7.3c difference same CPU GHz and similar fan speed, much more than the 3c you claim above.
Statistics don't lie, but some people manipulate the statistics to prove their false claims.

At first you were trying to understand how cooling worked. Now you act like you know it all.. and you don't.
You really need to learn how coolers work and what actually increases or decreases their ability to cool before you start trying to tell others what is what.

Cooler area is not the only factor in cooling ability.

Number, length and type of heat pipes, number of fins, placement of pipes, type of base, how pipes are attached to base, how fins are attached to pipes, thickness of fins all play a part in cooling ability.

Sorry to be so blunt but some of your statements are just not true or accurate.
as you never read.. \

that benchmark was mainly a proof of OCing levels.... not temperatures thumb.gif NT
Edited by PontiacGTX - 5/22/13 at 5:38pm
post #70 of 89
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

as you never read.. \

that benchmark was mainly a proof of OCing levels.... not temperatures thumb.gif NT

Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

basically any dual tower reaches SAME FRECUENCY as any other high heatisnk does with a difference of 3ªC or 2
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