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Hey guys i'm new to PC building and i want to make my PC a bit better and look cooler smile.gif so just an easy question.

i don't know what motherboard i have but it says this in the program i used

Model ALiveNF7G-FullHD.. (CPUSocket)
Version To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Chipset Vendor NVIDIA
Chipset Model GeForce 7050 PV
Chipset Revision A2
Southbridge Vendor NVIDIA
Southbridge Model nForce 630a
Southbridge Revision A2

i think it's ALiveNF7G-FullHD R3.0

my processor is AMD Phenom X3 8450
GPU is ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series
My power supply is i think 700-800W not sure what series


So now i want to input a new graphic card Sapphire AMD Radeon HD 7750, 2 GB, PCI-E 3.0 and buy a new case Aerocool Syclone II and 2GB more RAM Transcend DDR3 2 GB 1333 MHz

Is it possible? You maybe lough of how retarded i am buying such a bad graphic card and such a cool looking case but what i want that my computer doesn't look like from 1000 BC biggrin.gif.At the moment im not playing bf3 or anything with such a good graphics i used to play it but im playing TERA works smothly just want a bit of upgrade so just want to know culd i do that?

Thank you so much.
post #2 of 22
I wouldn't be buying anything until you know if it will work with your motherboard.

Tell us more about your computer..
what brand is it?
How old is it?
Does it have a model number?
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http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/ALiveNF7G-FullHD%20R3.0/
It doesn't support DDR3 memory, only DDR2.
It has a single PCIe x16 slot so you can use an AMD 7750 with it although I'm pretty sure it would be bottlenecked by the CPU (not 100% on that).
It's a very old system using very old technology, upgrading it bit by bit just isn't a wise option in my opinion.
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You are really difficult to read.

If you play Tera than the 7750 is definitely more than powerful enough but I'd recommend you just buy a 460 1GB off ebay or used somewhere instead, it's more powerful and you can usually find them for $50-70 right now.

TERA is very CPU intensive, so you want a stronger CPU, less GPU. You should really upgrade your CPU instead of your GPU.

CPUs also do not bottleneck GPUs in any significant capacity, it's something you should not ever concern yourself with. A CPU can bottleneck a game, a GPU can bottleneck a game, but they do not bottleneck eachother in any signficant way (technically an i7-2600K will bottleneck a 7770 more than i3-3220 will, it means nothing).
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Sorry if you had trouble reading my post.

So i still don't know would it work or not?Why would put in a 7750 because i'm getting it cheaper then anything else is it possible even tho it's DDR3 and my motherboard supports DDR2 and there wouldn't be any problems with the case i would like to have because of the room,If i can't what motherboard a really cheap one cause i really don't care what motherboard just that it works with stuff i want to put in it.
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Would any of these motherboards be compatible with the processor and 7750 HD and ofc if it that case has any effect

Gigabyte GA-H61M-S1, 1155
ASRock H61M-DGS, 1155
Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2V, LGA1155
Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2, S1155
Gigabyte GA-H61M-S2PV, 1155
MSI H61M-P31 (G3), LGA1155
ASRock N68C-GS FX, VGA, AM3/AM3+/AM2/AM2+
Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2H, LGA1155


Hope so cause im poor at the moment biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by DaPCnoob View Post

Would any of these motherboards be compatible with the processor and 7750 HD and ofc if it that case has any effect

Gigabyte GA-H61M-S1, 1155
ASRock H61M-DGS, 1155
Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2V, LGA1155
Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2, S1155
Gigabyte GA-H61M-S2PV, 1155
MSI H61M-P31 (G3), LGA1155

ASRock N68C-GS FX, VGA, AM3/AM3+/AM2/AM2+
Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2H, LGA1155


Hope so cause im poor at the moment biggrin.gif

Only the Asrock N68C-GS FX because you have a Phenom, which does not fit into the LGA 1155 socket. All will work with a 7750.
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You are really difficult to read.

If you play Tera than the 7750 is definitely more than powerful enough but I'd recommend you just buy a 460 1GB off ebay or used somewhere instead, it's more powerful and you can usually find them for $50-70 right now.

TERA is very CPU intensive, so you want a stronger CPU, less GPU. You should really upgrade your CPU instead of your GPU.

CPUs also do not bottleneck GPUs in any significant capacity, it's something you should not ever concern yourself with. A CPU can bottleneck a game, a GPU can bottleneck a game, but they do not bottleneck eachother in any signficant way (technically an i7-2600K will bottleneck a 7770 more than i3-3220 will, it means nothing).

Wow so MUCH misinformation in that reply.
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post #9 of 22
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Only the Asrock N68C-GS FX because you have a Phenom, which does not fit into the LGA 1155 socket. All will work with a 7750.[/quote]

Thank you!
So:

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CPU-AMD Phenom(tm) 8450 Triple-Core PRocessor
Motherboard-ASRock N68C-GS FX, VGA, AM3/AM3+/AM2/AM2+

Won't be a problem im just making sure since instead of buying a Honda Shadow i am buying this but not spending too much money.

And sorry to those who culdn't understand me that well i'm not that great with english

And to all those who say i should upgrade my CPU sure i accept donations heh im playing blacklight, tera and bf3 a bit and all of those games work well just can't max graphics.And to those who helped me i would buy you all a round of beer so just have one of me.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Belial View Post

You are really difficult to read.

If you play Tera than the 7750 is definitely more than powerful enough but I'd recommend you just buy a 460 1GB off ebay or used somewhere instead, it's more powerful and you can usually find them for $50-70 right now.

TERA is very CPU intensive, so you want a stronger CPU, less GPU. You should really upgrade your CPU instead of your GPU.

CPUs also do not bottleneck GPUs in any significant capacity, it's something you should not ever concern yourself with. A CPU can bottleneck a game, a GPU can bottleneck a game, but they do not bottleneck eachother in any signficant way (technically an i7-2600K will bottleneck a 7770 more than i3-3220 will, it means nothing).

Wow so MUCH misinformation in that reply.

Ahem... I really have to refrain to respond with more civility than you've directed towards me here, but I kindly ask you please explain. We are all on the same team, we all have the same interests and passions. There's no need to be nasty, if one of us can correct another, we all benefit. There is no You vs Me here at OCN, it's a community.

That said, I don't know what you would find wrong in my reply. I've used multiple 7xxx cards, I've had experiences with Phenoms, PCI-E 3.0 GPUs in PCI-E 2.0, I am familiar with Tera online and especially CPU intensive games in general.... TERA Online is an extremely CPU limited game (a very poorly coded and optimized one at that), if OP is really as poor as he says, then he's wasting his money. Granted, the 7750 is certainly nothing special, but buying a Phenom X3 am2 and a 7750 is the total opposite of where his budget should be going, he should really be buying like an athlon ii x4 and 4850 with his limited funds instead or something.

And yes, CPUs do not bottleneck GPUs in any significant capacity. GPUs do rendering, shading, lighting, etc, while CPUs do pathing, collisions, AI, etc. You can have a CPU to slow to handle a game, you can have a GPU too slow to handle a game, but a CPU's performance has very, very little impact on the speed of a GPU.

I say this as someone who has a 7950 in an i7-3770k, and a couple 7950s in a sempron doing computational analysis.
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Sorry if you had trouble reading my post.

So i still don't know would it work or not?Why would put in a 7750 because i'm getting it cheaper then anything else is it possible even tho it's DDR3 and my motherboard supports DDR2 and there wouldn't be any problems with the case i would like to have because of the room,If i can't what motherboard a really cheap one cause i really don't care what motherboard just that it works with stuff i want to put in it.

Yes, a 7750 would work in it. What exactly are you paying for all this stuff?

And the 7750 is not DDR3, it's GDDR5, which is a derivative of DDR3, but essentially it's nothing similar at all. As long as the motherboard has a PCI-E slot, you can use a 7750 in it.

Now, it depends on what kind of PCI-E slot you have and the PCI-E controller you have (pci-e controller isn't really a big issue though). You need a PCI-E x16 slot to physically fit a card in without using an adaptor, which that board has. Also, that board is PCi-E 2.0, not 3.0, which is fine, everything is all backwards compatible, and furthermore the 7750 and basically all single-GPU set-ups on modern cards will not saturate PCI-E 2.0 anyways (and even if they do, the performance loss is extremely negligible, you are talking like less than 5% in some obscure game no one plays and only with 3x 7970s on extreme resolutions). Although there is a bigger bottleneck to bandwidth with pci-e x4 or x1.

However we have no clue what your budget is, what you are doing, what games you play and what settings you mind to play them at. If you are looking for a yes/no on 7750 in an AM2+ board, the answer is yes. Now I don't know what you are doing, and no one else does either, but I'm 99.99% certain that buying an AM2+ board and a 7750 like this is a really stupid idea. Really stupid.

Could be wrong, maybe you are buying this from a friend for pennies or you found this stuff on the side of the street... but if you are paying money for any of this, I'm pretty sure you are making a huge mistake.
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And to all those who say i should upgrade my CPU sure i accept donations heh im playing blacklight, tera and bf3 a bit and all of those games work well just can't max graphics.And to those who helped me i would buy you all a round of beer so just have one of me.

yea, you should really just tell us how much money you have, give a bit more background - do you live near microcenter, are you able to buy items off ebay (with your budget, you are forced to buy some items ebay, not to worry, sometimes its better for certain items), do you stream or do anything intensive besides gaming like streaming, etc.

It just sounds like you are about to make a huge mistake, you are buying some extremely crappy and old components. Literally everything you picked out, besides the GPU, is old and weak, and is no cheaper than much more powerful, and modern, options.

But no one else is telling you this because you are asking "will X fit in Y". And you have your answer, yes, it will fit. Maybe I'm reading too deep into the lines, maybe you got all this stuff free, but dear lord do not pay more than... oh, maybe $30 for the case, cpu, and mobo combined.
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