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I've been having trouble finding a good mouse that works well with my glass mousepad. I have the white version.

Here are the mice I've tried:

Laser

Logitech G5/G7 - The sensors in these mice don't track at high speeds on any surface, but are particularly bad when used on glass. They are extremely well built and my G7 still works well after years of use.

SteelSeries Xai - This worked very well on my mousepad and I was very happy with it until the scroll wheel completely broke after three months. SteelSeries sent me a Sensei as a replacement, although I was unhappy that I had to pay $20 to ship an $80 mouse and that they did not offer any advance replacement options.

SteelSeries Sensei - It tracks as well as the Xai, but it's otherwise disappointing. I dislike the glossy finish and the scroll wheel is very poorly built. The wheel shifts sideways and it makes a high-pitched noise when scrolling (like this). The Sensei is clearly not very well made.

Optical

These are just mice that I happen to have and decided to test

Apple Mighty Mouse - Behaves erratically

Cheap Acer laptop mouse - Works reasonably well, even at high speeds, but is not very precise

Old Logitech optical mouse - Does not function


Since I don't expect the Sensei to last very long, and I'm not willing to spend $20 to have this replaced with another low quality mouse, I decided to start looking for a new one.

I'm interested in a mouse with these qualities:
  • Tracks well on my mousepad
  • Matte grip
  • Good build quality
  • Plain appearance and shape

I chose the Xai to replace my G7 because it was matte, plain, and I'd read that the sensor works well on glass. I was also considering the Logitech G700 because it uses the same sensor. I'm currently looking at the G700 again, especially since it won't be available for much longer and I think the G700s is ugly. I'd like to know if I have any other options. Are there any optical mice that work well on these mousepads? I would consider an IntelliMouse or something similar if I knew that it would work properly.

I assume someone will suggest using a different mousepad but I'm not going to do that. I really like this one.

Thank you for your help.
post #2 of 23
if your set on keeping the glass(?) mouse pad i suggest finding a rubber ball type mouse if you can find one. i can't see any optical mouse working with glass. they need to "see" changes on the surface.

take your pic. form or function?
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if your set on keeping the glass(?) mouse pad i suggest finding a rubber ball type mouse if you can find one. i can't see any optical mouse working with glass. they need to "see" changes on the surface.

take your pic. form or function?

The I-2 is not just transparent smooth glass, it does have a structure to it although I believe it to be just too fine for some of the opticals to track perfectly on it. That being said I'm having the same problem over here. I love the I-2 but I hate that there is no right mouse to use it with at the moment. All those ADNS 9x00 laser mice (Xai, Sensei...) track well but have positive acceleration and the nicer ADNS 3xxx optical sensor mice don't track well on it. mad.gif
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Hey man, I thought I'd chime in here.

I've been using my Razer Mamba on my Experience I-2 without issue for the past year or so now. It glides really nicely and just feels good on the 'icemat'.

The only thing is that initially when you first try the mouse of the icemat - if there is no response - then you just need to use a secondary mouse to open up the Razer driver-tray-configuration thingy and click on 'Calibrate to surface' and then it will work without a problem from then on. Also, the Mamba will work on both the black and white icemat (I had both versions at one point).

I think I am going to buy a Zowie EC1 Evo in a few days, so I can always post back and tell you if that works on it or not. Hope that helps.
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post #5 of 23
Stay with the (non-2012) Mamba!

The PTE sensors work EXTREMELY well with the Icemat (iirc perfect tracking speeds over 4m/s). Unfortunately most of them have either really crappy shapes or as of the newer PTE mice they have dynamic DPI scaling (=positive acceleration) to prevent jitter on soft mousepads, which of course is a change for the worse. The catch with the original (non-2012) Mamba is that it has dynamic DPI scaling only enabled from firmware version 1.07 onwards. So get that 1.06 firmware and enjoy the great combo the Mamba + Icemat is.

I just wish there was another PLN-2032 or 2033 sensor mouse without dynamic DPI scaling and in the shape of the Xai/Sensei/Taipan/ZowieFK etc. :/

I'll be getting a Mamba just in case because I'm running out of options and don't want to wait a couple more years until one of those companies produces a decent shaped mouse that works on the Icemat and it seems to me that no PTE mice will be released anytime soon because of the z-axis problems. It's a shame though because no other sensor comes close to the tracking speeds and precision of that sensor.
Edited by MONVMENTVM - 5/14/13 at 5:35am
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Stay with the (non-2012) Mamba!

The PTE sensors work EXTREMELY well with the Icemat (iirc perfect tracking speeds up to 6m/s). Unfortunately most of them have either really crappy shapes or as of the newer PTE mice they have dynamic DPI scaling (=positive acceleration) to prevent jitter on soft mousepads, which of course is a change for the worse. The catch with the original (non-2012) Mamba is that it has dynamic DPI scaling only enabled from firmware version 1.07 onwards. So get that 1.06 firmware and enjoy the great combo the Mamba + Icemat is.

I just wish there was another PLN-2032 or 2033 sensor mouse without dynamic DPI scaling and in the shape of the Xai/Sensei/Taipan/ZowieFK etc. :/

I'll be getting a Mamba just in case because I'm running out of options and don't want to wait a couple more years until one of those companies produces a decent shaped mouse that works on the Icemat and it seems to me that no PTE mice will be released anytime soon because of the z-axis problems. It's a shame though because no other sensor comes close to the tracking speeds and precision of that sensor.

I've never had any problems with my 2012 Mamba on the icemat... *shrug*
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I've never had any problems with my 2012 Mamba on the icemat... *shrug*

Nope but as I said from then on they enabled this dynamic DPI scaling which pretty much gives you positive acceleration. The old original Lachesis and the non-2012 Mamba with firmware version 1.06 or less are the only mice from Razer with the PTE sensor that don't have that dynamic DPI scaling.
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Nope but as I said from then on they enabled this dynamic DPI scaling which pretty much gives you positive acceleration. The old original Lachesis and the non-2012 Mamba with firmware version 1.06 or less are the only mice from Razer with the PTE sensor that don't have that dynamic DPI scaling.

Ah, I guess that's what I didn't understand...I'm not familiar with what dynamic DPI scaling is or how it works. I just used to set my DPI in the firmware and leave it at that.
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Love this mousepad biggrin.gif Logitech G9, does not work on it, the G9x does. I'm using the CM Storm Spawn now, and it also works perfectly. None of these have the qualities that you are looking for. But something for you to consider maybe. Any other mice that have the same sensors, should work.
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Love this mousepad biggrin.gif Logitech G9, does not work on it, the G9x does. I'm using the CM Storm Spawn now, and it also works perfectly. None of these have the qualities that you are looking for. But something for you to consider maybe. Any other mice that have the same sensors, should work.

The G9x works well on the Icemat as all the other 9500 and 9800 based mice, like the Xai, Sensei, Taipan, Kone etc. etc. but they also have positive acceleration and inconsistent tracking (more usable than the Razer PTE mice with dynamic DPI scaling though).

I'm surprised to see you mention the CM Storm Spawn though. Could you make a screenshot of you doing some some circles and lines in paint with this combination? I was skeptical about the ADNS-3090 and I-2 as I didn't have the best experiences and other people also reported jittery tracking on the I-2 with ADNS-3090 based mice.
Edited by MONVMENTVM - 5/14/13 at 7:07am
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