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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

I just bought 2666 memory in preparation for haswell

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313322

Be prepared for the single sided performance hit, these sticks are good for 3000+ valid but not the best for memory intensive benches. Regardless I still think they are pretty solid for the price:)
post #12 of 70
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Originally Posted by 636cc of fury View Post

Be prepared for the single sided performance hit, these sticks are good for 3000+ valid but not the best for memory intensive benches. Regardless I still think they are pretty solid for the price:)

I got them for 84.99 when newegg had a sale on all memory.
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I just bought 2666 memory in preparation for haswell

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313322

centvalny (Dumo) posted some results with this kit you just bought. On IB he hit 2950Mhz...took quite a bit of voltage, though (1.95v). Should clock real well with Haswell.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1268061/ocn-ram-addict-club-gallery/960_40#post_19648637

Another member, stickg1, hit 2800+ with his Team 2400 CL10 kit (12-13-13-30@1.75v), so they appear to have some headroom.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1268061/ocn-ram-addict-club-gallery/1400_40#post_19952042

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313323

Only issue is that both his and yours are single-sided modules,, so unless Haswell has a magic fix, actual performance will suffer.
Edited by Reefa_Madness - 5/12/13 at 12:29pm
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I was (am?) one of the two people who ran a ton of benchmarks (game benches, realtime) to test the effect of RAM speed on framerate and frame time. I have a 3930K + RIVE so while I can't test 2600+ speeds, I am able to disable cores and run tests simulating a quad core or dual core, and I tested everything from single to quad channel, with and without HT, and with a single 7970LTG, single 680LTG, single 670FTW, 2x 670FTW, and 3x 670FTW. I tested resolutions ranging from800x600 tto 2560x1600, but the vast majority were in 1080p.
I tested:
1333 @ 6-7-6, 7-7-7, 8-8-8, and 9-9-9
1600 @ 6-7-7, 7-8-7, 8-8-8, and 9-9-9
1866 @ 7-8-8, 8-8-8, 8-9-9, 9-9-9, 9-10-9, and 10-10-10
2133 @ 8-10-8, 9-10-9, 9-11-9, 9-11-10, 10-11-10, 10-10-10, and 11-11-11
2200 @ same as 2133
2400 @ 8-11-10, 9-10-9, 9-10-10, 9-11-10, 10-11-10, 10-10-10, and 11-11-11


The short conclusion is this:
Higher mmemory speeds results in higher minimum frame rates almost universally.
Max FPS is affected only slightly except when CPU bottlenecked (SC2 with 400 units on screen)
Gains of 5.4 to 27.1 FPS min were seen
Gains of 0 to 13 FPS max were seen
Gains of 4.1 to 15.8 FPS avg were seen
That's going from 1600 8-9-8-24 to 2133 9-11-10-28
The difference increased by about 10-22 percent when you increase to 2400 9-11-11
There was no situation in which higher memory speed decreased framerate
People who use multiple GPU setups can expect to see a difference of 2.9 to 41.8fps min (Nvidia: 9.1-34.9, AMD 2.9-41.8)
The game play is very noticeably smoother, with the amount of stuttering decreased by a power of 2 (Nvidia users: zero perceptible stuttering, AMD users: greatly diminished stuttering in CFX)

I've been testing even further using a delidded 3770K @ 5.1Ghz on a Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP7 with memory speeds that include all prior tested as well as 2600 9-12-12, 10-12-12, 11-13-12, 2666 @ same as 2600, 2800 10-12-12, 10-13-11, 11-12-11, 12-13-13, and 3000 11-13-13, 10-14-12, 11-14-12, 12-13-12,and 13-13-13. So far the results are identical percentage wise.

So, in my oopinion, the best RAM for the money is either 2133 CL9 or 2400 CL9. Both give identical results (9-11-10-28 vs 9-11-11-31) and both are available right around $100 for 16GB and 8GB kits respectively.
If you choose 1600, even with timings that are unreachable for most memory like 6-7-7-17, you are between 2.8-and-17.3 percent slower than the off-the-shelf 2133/2400 kits.
I didn't expect quite so much difference, but I also tested everything at least 5 times (most tests were done 7 times and the two outliers removed), and I continue to test and will continue for quite some time, hopefully finishing and being able to get the results and writeup published.

My advice is to buy 2133 with the tightest timings possible, as it's the best deal in terms of performance per dollar you can get.
   
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post #15 of 70
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Thanks man thats solid info. How worried should I be about Voltage? Seems like most ram in the speed bracket you recommend is 1.65v. And when it comes to adding more ram later I can just buy another 2 times 8gb kit again to run on the other channel right?
Edited by Fahrenheit85 - 5/12/13 at 3:03pm
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1.65 won't cause you any issues. There are lots of people on here that have been running that and higher on older chips that still work 100%. I remember reading one guy that said he's been at 1.7 for like 3-4 years on a comp that runs 24/7 at load not idle.
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1.65v is PERFECTLY safe!!! I run as high as 1.75v for 24/7, 1.85v for benching with nothing more than a small fan blowing on the DIMM's, and 1.9v with decent cooling. I've beat my RAM to you-know-where and back, and it's still performing BETTER than day one!
   
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Thanks guys, will probably go with G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series @ DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) 9-11-10-28
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Thanks guys, will probably go with G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series @ DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) 9-11-10-28
That RAM is pretty awesome as well, it will OC pretty good
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For haswell ocing ram, best to stick to two sticks instead of four? Thinking about trading out my 4x 4gb 2400 cl9 kit i use in my sig system with this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313321

You think it would make much of a difference in the oc with 2vs4 sticks, but also going from cl9 to cl11.
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