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Right now the EVGA is $289 on Amazon and Newegg, so the 7950 is $30 more. Does the EVGA get very hot due to the smaller reference PCB?

According to Guru3D the core runs 10 degrees celsius over other non-reference cards. I would also assume the tiny reference PCB and components would be stressed more with more heat concentrated in a smaller area.
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Would overclocking the hell out of the 7950 be a bit dangerous to the card in my Fractal Node case? I don't mind tinkering with some OC, but I worry that a card could get way too hot in there even with the 5 fans that I have. I am getting excellent air flow and my 560 on load has been at around 63 degrees or so.

If you're going to overclock, 7950 is the better buy, no contest.

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In the long run if the 650 TI is the better card and will make you happy it might be worth it.

He made the right choice, the 7870 XT is a much faster card, it competes with a 660 Ti let alone a 650 Ti boost, overclocked it can match or beat a 670 depending on games.
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I'd hate to spend $200 right now on a regular 660 and then in a year have to spend another $300+ to replace it. Whatever I get now, I want it to last me for a good 2 years till we see what the 800 series cards are like and AMD's 9000.

With the next gen consoles on the horizon, nothing is certain, a Titan might not even last you two years depending on what IQ you demand in your games.
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With your 660 Ti, are you able to run FC3 and Bioshock Infinite at about Max settings @ 1080p?

Far Cry 3 i have it FPS locked at 45fps with nvidia inspector + vsync, max settings + FXAA, @1080p and it is smooth, can't always maintain 45FPS though. Have not played much of Bioshock infinite, too many games to play, from what little I played it was maxing it out at 1080p.
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I just bought Hitman Absolution last week for $5 off of Amazon, but have not tried it yet as it's another game I'm waiting to get a better card before trying out. I made that mistake with Bioshock and it didn't run at what I was hoping with my 560. What advantage does AMD have with Hitman A over the 660 Ti?

AMD cards are faster in Hitman.
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I also have a 3gb card. I wouldn't recommend it for you. I only have it because im selling it to someone so they can run SLI 3gb cards. I think it will be good long term but the 3gb won't equate to ample usage of AA due to the 192 bus. I've read somewhere online that EVGA had a better memory controller in the 3gb card but I have no idea where I found it and if I can find it.

Edit: It was Galaxy
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We use different memory configs on 2GB and 3GB.

For the 3GB, we used 12pcs of 128*16 DDR5 memory to form a 3GB, 192-bit config.

For the 2GB, in order to form a 2GB 192-bit config, the memory controller is running in mixed mode. We used 4pcs of 64*32 and 4pcs of 128*16 DDR5 memory.

For the 3GB version, we actually use the same PCB as the GTX 670/680 GC 4GB but with 12pcs instead of 16pcs 128*16 DDR5 memory.
The 2GB version, however, needed a new PCB design in order to support mixed mode memory operation."

I'm not sure if it was just Galaxy who implemented that design but it sounds like a 3GB 660ti will effectivly make better use of the 192 bus so that its not a complete waste. Hopefully the other manufacturers did this too.
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According to Guru3D the core runs 10 degrees celsius over other non-reference cards. I would also assume the tiny reference PCB and components would be stressed more with more heat concentrated in a smaller area.

If you're going to overclock, 7950 is the better buy, no contest.

With the next gen consoles on the horizon, nothing is certain, a Titan might not even last you two years depending on what IQ you demand in your games.
Far Cry 3 i have it FPS locked at 45fps with nvidia inspector + vsync, max settings + FXAA, @1080p and it is smooth, can't always maintain 45FPS though. Have not played played much of Bioshock infinite, too many games to play, from what little I played it was maxing it out at 1080p.

AMD cards are faster in Hitman.

I really appreciate the help and advice from everyone that has responded. I'm up in the air about an overclock right now, but if I did not overclock then you think the 660 Ti would be the better route to take?

When you overclock the 7950, does it get very hot. I worry about the HTPC case becoming a grill and I am probably over thinking this too much. LOL!

I agree that nothing is certain with the PS4 and XBX Infinity on the way, they might really shake things up in the GPU world. I'm hoping to get a decent card that will last me about 2 years before having to worry about the next gen cards. Due to the OC, it seems like the 7950 can be a hell of a card to last me longer than the 660 Ti I take it.

Your FC3 numbers seem pretty good for smoothness.

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I also have a 3gb card. I wouldn't recommend it for you. I only have it because im selling it to someone so they can run SLI 3gb cards. I think it will be good long term but the 3gb won't equate to ample usage of AA due to the 192 bus. I've read somewhere online that EVGA had a better memory controller in the 3gb card but I have no idea where I found it and if I can find it.

Edit: It was Galaxy
I'm not sure if it was just Galaxy who implemented that design but it sounds like a 3GB 660ti will effectivly make better use of the 192 bus so that its not a complete waste. Hopefully the other manufacturers did this too.

I think this is the same piece that I read. I have read a lot of bad on Galaxy cards and their fans not being that great.
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Im just saying, if Galaxy did it, its more then likely other manufacturer did it too.

The 7950 is a great card would get you more mileage in the long run. I went with Nvidia because I've used them for quite some time. The programs I am learning to use can make use of CUDA cores. Nvidia spends a lot of money on driver support on their gaming and workstation cards. That's why their is a premium with Nvidia, and it most cases it shows.

For your needs, I would just buy a 7950
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A lot of user impressions and reviews that I have read say that the extra 1 GB is not used properly due to the 192 bit bus. By how much do you see a performance?

If you run games with a lot of mods, the 3GB is properly used.

For the single card I saw about a 3-5FPS increase from the FTW and non FTW cards (both of mine are 3GB cards though)
 
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So I think you should go with the MSI HD7950. it's a better card and crushes many cards when OCd. And honestly if you were to compare OC temps of the two cards you are looking at, you might only see a difference of about 2-5C not much.
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If you run games with a lot of mods, the 3GB is properly used.

For the single card I saw about a 3-5FPS increase from the FTW and non FTW cards (both of mine are 3GB cards though)

The only game right now that I'm running with mods is Skyrim and I know that I haven't even reached the 2GB limit with my current card. I do not have many mods running.

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So I think you should go with the MSI HD7950. it's a better card and crushes many cards when OCd. And honestly if you were to compare OC temps of the two cards you are looking at, you might only see a difference of about 2-5C not much.

I am starting to lean towards the MSI 7950 since it's getting a lot of praise for my needs. I had 2 more questions.....

1. How do games like Skyrim run on the 7950, any issues?

2. I know I mentioned this earlier, but on a few sites I have seen that the card length is 7.8 inches for the MSI 7950, is that true? It just seems too short for this card.

Here is an example of specs that I keep finding:

MSI R7950 Twin Frozr III

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

On MSI's site, I am seeing 261 x 111 x 38mm, which is 10.2 inches. I am guessing that the card is 10.2 inches in length then?

Thanks again everyone
Edited by CaptainZombie - 5/13/13 at 10:47am
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The only game right now that I'm running with mods is Skyrim and I know that I haven't even reached the 2GB limit with my current card. I do not have many mods running.
I am starting to lean towards the MSI 7950 since it's getting a lot of praise for my needs. I had 2 more questions.....

1. How do games like Skyrim run on the 7950, any issues?

2. I know I mentioned this earlier, but on a few sites I have seen that the card length is 7.8 inches for the MSI 7950, is that true? It just seems too short for this card.

Here is an example of specs that I keep finding:

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

Thanks again everyone

MSI 7950 was getting about 60fps in Skyrim maxed at 1920x1200 when it first came out. I would say it's likely better than that with the drivers that have been released over the past year. Plus the OC will bump it up too.

Per newegg - 10.28" x 4.37" x 1.5"
Per Fractal - GPU capability of the Node 605
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■255 mm with one hard drive cage mounted - 10.04inches
■290 mm in the top two ATX expansion card slots with two hard drive cages mounted - 11.41inchese
■280 mm in the top four ATX expansion card slots with one hard drive cage mounted, containing one 3.5" HDD and one 2.5" SSD - 11.02inches

I would suggest measuring how much room you have where your card is now. See what can fit in there
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Go with MSI its the superior built card, the Signature 2 lacks VRM sinks and no memory cooling, the Superclocked uses a tiny cramp reference PCB. Unless you can get the EVGA for cheaper.
I agree here, not to mention the MSI one is slightly overclocked as well isnt it?
There is nothing wrong with the ftw version though, and as he said... if you can get that cheaper, go for it.

I would outright ignore the evga SC edition on favor of the other two.

That being said, that is only assuming you stick with nvidia. While I am not a fan, I cannot argue the performance of many ATI offerings.
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MSI 7950 was getting about 60fps in Skyrim maxed at 1920x1200 when it first came out. I would say it's likely better than that with the drivers that have been released over the past year. Plus the OC will bump it up too.

Per newegg - 10.28" x 4.37" x 1.5"
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■280 mm in the top four ATX expansion card slots with one hard drive cage mounted, containing one 3.5" HDD and one 2.5" SSD - 11.02inches

I would suggest measuring how much room you have where your card is now. See what can fit in there

I was getting 60FPS on skyrim at 1920x1080 steady with a amd 965 BE and a single 660TI. The lowest I would ever see it go is like 58 FPS. I upgraded to an 8350 and it stayed at 60FPS, then I added another 660TI FTW and I havent noticed a drop. A single 660TI will run skyrim great. But if you are planning on getting a new single card I would like at a 670 or 680. But the 660TI is such a great price
 
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