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MSI 7950 was getting about 60fps in Skyrim maxed at 1920x1200 when it first came out. I would say it's likely better than that with the drivers that have been released over the past year. Plus the OC will bump it up too.

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■180 mm with both hard drive cages mounted - 7inches
■255 mm with one hard drive cage mounted - 10.04inches
■290 mm in the top two ATX expansion card slots with two hard drive cages mounted - 11.41inchese
■280 mm in the top four ATX expansion card slots with one hard drive cage mounted, containing one 3.5" HDD and one 2.5" SSD - 11.02inches

I would suggest measuring how much room you have where your card is now. See what can fit in there

Thanks for pulling up these numbers. When I get home tonight, I'll pull out my case and do some measurements. Plus I can reverse mount those HDD's in that bracket to place the connections to the other side so it might free up a little bit more room. I've seen a pic or two online where people have placed reference 7970's in there, but you never hear back on their results.

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I agree here, not to mention the MSI one is slightly overclocked as well isnt it?
There is nothing wrong with the ftw version though, and as he said... if you can get that cheaper, go for it.

I would outright ignore the evga SC edition on favor of the other two.

That being said, that is only assuming you stick with nvidia. While I am not a fan, I cannot argue the performance of many ATI offerings.

I've been a longtime NVIDIA fan and only had a few problems over the years with cards either having their fans go out after 2-3 years of use or cards going dead, but that is due to the amount of use. This is what makes my decision so difficult between choosing the 660 Ti or going to AMD with the 7950. When it comes to feature for feature and getting longetivity out of either card, it seems like the 7950 wins out especially if OC'd.

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I was getting 60FPS on skyrim at 1920x1080 steady with a amd 965 BE and a single 660TI. The lowest I would ever see it go is like 58 FPS. I upgraded to an 8350 and it stayed at 60FPS, then I added another 660TI FTW and I havent noticed a drop. A single 660TI will run skyrim great. But if you are planning on getting a new single card I would like at a 670 or 680. But the 660TI is such a great price

60 FPS is great on Skyrim @ 1080p, I tend to get pretty steady framerate with the 560 2GB so I can imagine how these newer cards probably take some of these games to higher FPS.

I was looking at the 670 a few weeks back and was going to pull the trigger, but then decided not wanting to spend $400 since I just bought that Fractal Node which ran me almost $180. Then I added a new PSU last week, so I'm kind of trying to take a little bit of a cheaper route if I can with the video card, but still meet my needs at 1080p.
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Thanks for pulling up these numbers. When I get home tonight, I'll pull out my case and do some measurements. Plus I can reverse mount those HDD's in that bracket to place the connections to the other side so it might free up a little bit more room. I've seen a pic or two online where people have placed reference 7970's in there, but you never hear back on their results.
I've been a longtime NVIDIA fan and only had a few problems over the years with cards either having their fans go out after 2-3 years of use or cards going dead, but that is due to the amount of use. This is what makes my decision so difficult between choosing the 660 Ti or going to AMD with the 7950. When it comes to feature for feature and getting longetivity out of either card, it seems like the 7950 wins out especially if OC'd.
I was looking at the 670 a few weeks back and was going to pull the trigger, but then decided not wanting to spend $400 since I just bought that Fractal Node which ran me almost $180. Then I added a new PSU last week, so I'm kind of trying to take a little bit of a cheaper route if I can with the video card, but still meet my needs at 1080p.

Are we talking about the rig that is in your sig? If so, I would get rid of that 1333 RAM and get 1600 or higher. I noticed a FPS increase in other games from that. I went from 2x 4gb 1333 to 4x 4GB 1600 and noticed a huge difference.
 
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Are we talking about the rig that is in your sig? If so, I would get rid of that 1333 RAM and get 1600 or higher. I noticed a FPS increase in other games from that. I went from 2x 4gb 1333 to 4x 4GB 1600 and noticed a huge difference.

Yes, we are talking about the rig in my signature. I added that 8gb 1333 RAM last year. I also need to get a 3rd party cooler for my CPU which I saw a decent one from Cooler Master that will fit in my case.

Do you recommend going higher than 1600 if I do upgrade the ram? Did you see a significant improvement in FPS? Will 8gb be enough for the time, or should I look at going to 16gb?
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Yes, we are talking about the rig in my signature. I added that 8gb 1333 RAM last year. I also need to get a 3rd party cooler for my CPU which I saw a decent one from Cooler Master that will fit in my case.

Do you recommend going higher than 1600 if I do upgrade the ram? Did you see a significant improvement in FPS? Will 8gb be enough for the time, or should I look at going to 16gb?

If you just use your desktop for gaming, you probably wont need more than 8GB of ram. I do a lot of other stuff on mine so I went with more than 8GB (Virtual machines, minecraft server, etc)

I noticed an improvement from 1333 to 1600. A lot of people go with 1600/1866 as a gaming standard, but I am not much of a ram overclocker. I noticed about a 10FPS increase on my laptop going from 4GB 1333 to 8gb 1600 with integrated graphics on some games on low. If you get a SSD and upgrade to some faster ram, you should see a combined 10FPS gain I would estimate. I got about 5-7FPS better with a SSD addition alone.
 
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If you just use your desktop for gaming, you probably wont need more than 8GB of ram. I do a lot of other stuff on mine so I went with more than 8GB (Virtual machines, minecraft server, etc)

I noticed an improvement from 1333 to 1600. A lot of people go with 1600/1866 as a gaming standard, but I am not much of a ram overclocker. I noticed about a 10FPS increase on my laptop going from 4GB 1333 to 8gb 1600 with integrated graphics on some games on low. If you get a SSD and upgrade to some faster ram, you should see a combined 10FPS gain I would estimate. I got about 5-7FPS better with a SSD addition alone.

Yeah, this system is primarily for gaming and I have another system (built it a month ago) in the office that my kids use for some minor gaming and to do all of the rest of our applications, etc. on. The system in the office is nowhere near as good as my HTPC, but it gets the job done for what the family needs to use it for.

I was also looking at a Samsung 840 series 120gb SSD to add over the next couple of months, then just removing the 500 gb since I won't have room in this case for more than 2 HDD's if I add a long ass video card. LOL!

I love this case, but it is very limiting in so many ways. I had the HAF XB which had a lot of room and then exchanged it to get this case since it would fit on my AV stand since I had to remove one glass shelf on the AV Stand to get the HAF XB to fit.
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Yeah, this system is primarily for gaming and I have another system (built it a month ago) in the office that my kids use for some minor gaming and to do all of the rest of our applications, etc. on. The system in the office is nowhere near as good as my HTPC, but it gets the job done for what the family needs to use it for.

I was also looking at a Samsung 840 series 120gb SSD to add over the next couple of months, then just removing the 500 gb since I won't have room in this case for more than 2 HDD's if I add a long ass video card. LOL!

I love this case, but it is very limiting in so many ways. I had the HAF XB which had a lot of room and then exchanged it to get this case since it would fit on my AV stand since I had to remove one glass shelf on the AV Stand to get the HAF XB to fit.

I suggest make room for a HDD. I have 2x samsung 840 pro (laptop/desktop) and I love them. I would either suggest getting a larger SSD, or maybe picking up an external enclosue for your current HDD. 128-256GB just isnt enough space for me. Hence why I have a 2TB data drive as my backup.
 
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Yes, we are talking about the rig in my signature. I added that 8gb 1333 RAM last year. I also need to get a 3rd party cooler for my CPU which I saw a decent one from Cooler Master that will fit in my case.

Do you recommend going higher than 1600 if I do upgrade the ram? Did you see a significant improvement in FPS? Will 8gb be enough for the time, or should I look at going to 16gb?

Woa is that accurate what is in your sig? You are running 32 bit Win7? There is your problem.
 
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I suggest make room for a HDD. I have 2x samsung 840 pro (laptop/desktop) and I love them. I would either suggest getting a larger SSD, or maybe picking up an external enclosue for your current HDD. 128-256GB just isnt enough space for me. Hence why I have a 2TB data drive as my backup.

I have a 1TB and a 500gb HDD in my system right now. The 500gb is just used to have the OS and my pictures, etc. While the 1TB has Steam, games, music, backup of my pictures and music, etc. I would probably place the 500gb in an enclosure when I add the SSD.
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Woa is that accurate what is in your sig? You are running 32 bit Win7? There is your problem.

Yeah, I'm still running on 32 bit since I bought this version of Win 7 1.5 years ago when my old system had crashed and I needed a new version of Windows. At the time I could only run 32 bit because of how outdated that system had become.

I've been waiting to go to Win 8 64 bit, I just can't justify spending another $100 on an OEM Win 7 64-bit.

Is the 32 bit limiting my setup a lot? Should I update the OS to 64 bit before looking into 1600 or 1866 Mhz RAM?
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Well, first off. 32bit will only utilize just under 4gb of memory. So if you have 8gb, half of the memory addresses aren't accessable. So that's a major hinderance right there.
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Well, first off. 32bit will only utilize just under 4gb of memory. So if you have 8gb, half of the memory addresses aren't accessable. So that's a major hinderance right there.

So it looks like I have larger issues here than just a video card and RAM. Is Win 8 fairly stable now? It looks like I might have to upgrade sooner than I was thinking.
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