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I am, but with all these benchmarks it makes me feel dumb founded to why anyone would be running a game at say 1024x 768 res, nobody every uses these resos, so whats the point except to prove a CPU is better at performing tasks when the majority of the time the GPU is doing all the work?

Is it not the entire point of a CPU review to determine the inherent performance of a given chip, ideally while removing as many other variables as possible from the test setup?
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The only reason that FX would even be worth considering in this case is because OP is already in possession of an AM3+ motherboard.

As such, getting an FX may be good for OP's wallet, but potential switching costs still wouldn't change the fact that FX chips are sub-optimal for gaming in general.

Negative on keeping the motherboard. The whole rig is up for replacement, 7950 included if next gen is really just around the corner.

Great feedback so far guys, keep it coming!
    
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All boils down to your wallet.

Cheapest and easiest option is toss in an 8350. If you are gaming on a single 7950 that's more than enough CPU to handle it (or even a 2nd one)

The thing about Ivybridge running hot is not really as bad as people make out. It's also faster than Sandy though sandy does OC further meaning they often even out. Saying that I wouldn't buy Ivy brand new right now with haswell coming.

That's 2600k option sounds tempting.

Haswell should be priced similar to Ivy currently if I was you I would actually wait for this to drop before anything else just to see what it offers. You don't want to find out its the best thing since sliced bread 4 days after you buy something else.

I'd forget any haswell will make Ivy drop in price argument. Intel don't usually do that Sandy's still sell for close to their original prices.
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post #14 of 54
To nothing.

Keep your Phenom II until Steamroller launches. By then Haswell will have gone down a weebit, and you'll get to see how does Steamroller's architectural changes fare. That is, individual decoders per thread instead of shared, and vastly improved L1 registers, along with a few tweaks concerning power consumption.

I say it is worth the wait. It's not like your 965 isn't holding together anymore...

I'll elaborate on my decision:

Sandy: Dead platform. End of life.
Ivy: Dead platform, soon to be end of life.

These both have got no upgrade path.

Piledriver: Soon to be blown and utterly destroyed by Steamroller. Poor multi-GPU performance, most certainly due to chipset shortcomings. Steamroller comes with a chipset refresh, so you won't want to run a state-of-the-art CPU on an almost three year old chipset, don't you?
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Is it not the entire point of a CPU review to determine the inherent performance of a given chip, ideally while removing as many other variables as possible from the test setup?

While low-res may be representative of CPU performance, it is NOT representative of real world performance. Considering OP said nothing about playing at low res, this point is utterly irrelevant.
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Using a TekSyndicate video and an AMD-sponsored game in a fatally-flawed (and in the end futile) attempt to prove your point? Really?

Try using some reputable sources next time...

Too much opinion, not enough fact. While I would agree that Logans results are not what we expected, neither you nor I are in any position to say he was wrong. Until someone shows us proof that Tek has a vested interest in "skewing," the results in AMD's favor, the *****ing, moaning, and bruised egos will remain exactly that.

It all really comes down to what games you will be playing. If recent and future games are your concern, then theres not reason to invest in intel (unless multi-gpu is in your future).

The best thing OP can do is start with the GPU. If after obtaining a 7970Ghz, atleast 8GB of 1600+ ram, and an SSD there's still plenty left for an i7, then by all means, this is the way to go. If not, then FX-63XX/83XX will do everything you would expect, and might even surprise you.


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Make sure your BIOS is up-to-date and drop an 8300 series in that board. Max out your games except a few like C3. you'll need two 7950s on that game and still just get 4MSAA. 8300 is your cheapest route and the BEST.
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While low-res may be representative of CPU performance, it is NOT representative of real world performance. Considering OP said nothing about playing at low res, this point is utterly irrelevant.
Too much opinion, not enough fact. While I would agree that Logans results are not what we expected, neither you nor I are in any position to say he was wrong. Until someone shows us proof that Tek has a vested interest in "skewing," the results in AMD's favor, the *****ing, moaning, and bruised egos will remain exactly that.

I'm not saying that TekSyndicate is skewing things intentionally, I'm saying that they're incompetent. They are rightfully infamous for posting YouTube videos with flawed methodology and nonsensical results.

One more thing, though: Why is it that only AMD fans make YouTube videos and/or post them in forums? Are they so frustrated with all the proper, legitimate reviewers panning AMD's sub-par products that they decided to create an alternate distribution network of flawed and/or cherry-picked results to console themselves with?

It's kinda analogous to Apple's "Reality Distortion Field", except that Apple's version tries to convince people that their (admittedly perfectly-serviceable) iProducts are better than they really are, whereas AMD's "Reality Denial Field" tries to convince people that their products are fit for purpose despite all proof otherwise...
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My sig rig is about to change ownership and the only things I'm keeping are my Gigabyte 7950, Samsung wonder RAM, and storage drives...

Keeping the 955 is not really an option, nor will I have a motherboard to simply drop a chip into. I can delay giving up my rig until Haswell launches since the buyer is my brother, but the sig rig is definitely going between now and launch. It's just a matter of "worth".
    
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I'm not saying that TekSyndicate is skewing things intentionally, I'm saying that they're incompetent. They are rightfully infamous for posting YouTube videos with flawed methodology and nonsensical results.

One more thing, though: Why is it that only AMD fans make YouTube videos and/or post them in forums? Are they so frustrated with all the proper, legitimate reviewers panning AMD's sub-par products that they decided to create an alternate distribution network of flawed and/or cherry-picked results to console themselves with?

It's kinda analogous to Apple's "Reality Distortion Field", except that Apple's version tries to convince people that their (admittedly perfectly-serviceable) iProducts are better than they really are, whereas AMD's "Reality Denial Field" tries to convince people that their products are fit for purpose despite all proof otherwise...

As you can see clearly i have a Intel system and i'm saying whats the best option for OP. Unlike you who says he's not a fan boy but sounds like an Intel one thumb.gif
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I think it's hilarious that you post this video at every chance you get wink.gif

Contrary to this video there are hundreds of reviews floating around out there that shows the i7 and i5 beating Piledriver.

OP - You should stay with AMD because the cost to move to an Intel setup is not justifiable (In my opinion). My stance would be different if you were building from scratch but for what you plan to do with your setup an FX-8320 is more than sufficient . Also socket AM3+ may have an extended stay with speculations that Steamroller will be using socket AM3+
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