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I think it's hilarious that you post this video at every chance you get wink.gif

Contrary to this video there are hundreds of reviews floating around out there that shows the i7 and i5 beating Piledriver.

OP - You should stay with AMD because the cost to move to an Intel setup is not justifiable (In my opinion). My stance would be different if you were building from scratch but for what you plan to do with your setup an FX-8320 is more than sufficient . Also socket AM3+ may have an extended stay with speculations that Steamroller will be using socket AM3+
i7 and i5 win in single core processing, which programs don't use these days.
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i7 and i5 win in single core processing, which programs don't use these days.

Bit naive of you to say but the i7 wins in a lot more than just single core processes
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Bit naive of you to say but the i7 wins in a lot more than just single core processes
It's fact, i love my i7 but AMD still has a good fight with FX.
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It's fact, i love my i7 but AMD still has a good fight with FX.

'which programs don't use these days', you say? Was that meant as a joke? I can pretty much guarantee that the large majority of programs that people use, even 'these days', will benefit more from higher IPC than they will from more processor cores, esp. anything above 2 cores.

To be sure, there are SOME programs that are heavily multi-threaded that will benefit (almost) as much from more cores as they'll benefit from higher IPC, but to imply that NO programs nowadays are heavily IPC-dependent is just ... not accurate redface.gif
    
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'which programs don't use these days', you say? Was that meant as a joke? I can pretty much guarantee that the large majority of programs that people use, even 'these days', will benefit more from higher IPC than they will from more processor cores, esp. anything above 2 cores.

To be sure, there are SOME programs that are heavily multi-threaded that will benefit (almost) as much from more cores as they'll benefit from higher IPC, but to imply that NO programs nowadays are heavily IPC-dependent is just ... not accurate redface.gif

It's easy for AMD and its backers to depreciate the importance of IPC and single-threaded performance, even if we all know their official credo of "MOAR CORES" more often than not just doesn't cut it in terms of performance.

Of course, it's merely a coincidence that their "IPC doesn't matter" mantra first appeared at the same time that the benches for the FX-8150 Bulldozer chips came out, right?
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Oi Oi guys. This thread is getting sad. Rather than beat your fan drums, help the OP.

8350 (and 8320) are known to be able to compete with 3750K's. The 8350 might not be beating it all the time, or even most, but they aren't far off in benchmarks on average, and benchmark graphs usually illustrate a measurable difference that people can't notice much in real life.

That said. Intel obviously has a performance advantage right now. That is another undisputed fact. AMD is making major inroads in closing the gap, but there is still a gap. But AMd isn't pricing their CPU's to compete with i7's or even high end i5's. MC and special pricing deals don't matter to 95% of us (cause I often come into a thread with AMD vs Intel upgrades and find people saying you can get far superior Intel chips for even Cheaper, or same price, as FX Vishera, and then see online only deals from MC doh.gif )

Anywho... The OP states they will be getting rid of their mobo anyway... which is a good mobo for current AMD offerings. Considering this, I would likely suggest Intel.

BUT... I would advise against this personally. Perhaps you should think about waiting, and getting a placeholder in Vishera and see what Haswell and Steamroller offer. Going to Intel will give you better performance overall, but considering you have a good mobo and can just drop an 8350/20 in and go for a high OC, I don't think the performance difference from switching sides at this moment will be worth the price you'll pay in switching, unless you can sell your AMD parts for top dollar. Thats just my personal opinion.

If your current chip is something thats been holding you back, and holding you back badly for a while, then Intel might be the move for you. If its not that bad, Vishera will be a great investment for value and performance. I mean, selling your current chip and going Visher can get you close to i5 for about $120 or a bit more depending on what you sell your Phenom II chip for.

So yea. I'd seriously think about Vishera FX as a possibility. If you need max performance right now, think about going Intel. But with Steamroller and Haswell starting to show us info, might be a good time to hang tight just a little longer.

Good luck with your choice. And to be honest, you'll be pretty happy with the performance whichever way you go. Just depends on the performance you need, and what your willing to pay for said performance.
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Decent discussion with some useful info for someone less educated in the practical differences between processors (like... me).

That said, keeping the current system isn't an option. I'm selling it to my brother for cheap to get him onto a more modern system to practice what he's going to school for a little (lot) more efficiently. As I've said, from a motherboard/CPU standpoint I really am starting from scratch; no 'hang onto' or 'upgrade CPU only' option for me.

I went ahead and jumped on the 2600k deal. They're still selling for over $300 new, $200 used. Getting it plus an Asus Maximus V Gene for a little over $300 shipped isn't bad at all, and if either next gen AMD or Intel CPUs turn out to be excellent upgrades then I'm sure I can sell the CPU+mobo combo for about what I paid or at very little loss. No biggie for me either way since allegedly 1150 will use the same mounts as 1155, meaning nothing I buy now would be immediately obsolete if I dropped Sandy for Haswell. Different story if I go AMD, though.
    
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I'm not saying that TekSyndicate is skewing things intentionally, I'm saying that they're incompetent. They are rightfully infamous for posting YouTube videos with flawed methodology and nonsensical results.

One more thing, though: Why is it that only AMD fans make YouTube videos and/or post them in forums? Are they so frustrated with all the proper, legitimate reviewers panning AMD's sub-par products that they decided to create an alternate distribution network of flawed and/or cherry-picked results to console themselves with?

It's kinda analogous to Apple's "Reality Distortion Field", except that Apple's version tries to convince people that their (admittedly perfectly-serviceable) iProducts are better than they really are, whereas AMD's "Reality Denial Field" tries to convince people that their products are fit for purpose despite all proof otherwise...

Again, remind us all who YOU are to rule one review over the other as "proper/legitimate?" And whats wrong with videos? I like to post videos because I figure they are the easiest for simple minded fools to understand.

Seriously though bro, I really wish you would set your insecurities aside, man up, and give credit where credit is due. You're acting as if these results are some kind of conspiracy... The fact of the matter is that even members of this very forum who own/ed both products do not share your outlandish views and opinions about the so-called gaming superiority factor (myself included). Nobody denies that in older and/or poorly coded games, Intel is the way to go. But this is 2013, and AMD holds it own in todays games, so get over it already....

http://www.overclock.net/t/1210060/fx8120-vs-2500k-benchmark-results

http://www.overclock.net/t/1333027/amd-fx-8350-vs-i5-3570k-delidded-single-gpu-and-crossfire-gpu

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I think it's hilarious that you post this video at every chance you get wink.gif

Contrary to this video there are hundreds of reviews floating around out there that shows the i7 and i5 beating Piledriver.

OP - You should stay with AMD because the cost to move to an Intel setup is not justifiable (In my opinion). My stance would be different if you were building from scratch but for what you plan to do with your setup an FX-8320 is more than sufficient . Also socket AM3+ may have an extended stay with speculations that Steamroller will be using socket AM3+

What's so funny about the video? If you can prove to me that Nicolas has a vested interest in skewing the results, or that he is incompetent, I will agree to stop posting it. Otherwise, I think it serves as a perfect illustration of real world performance in modern games. Even Alatar himself acknowledged it as a fair comparison. Why cant you?

If you had paid attention to the video, you would have known that just like "hundreds of reviews floating out there," the i7 beat the 8350. It was mostly within the margin of error, but it still won. Wether that extra 2 fps is worth the extra $150 or not is up to you.

OP was also selling the MB, so the 8320 drop in was not an option. Looks like he got a good deal on the i7 though, so good for him. Im sure he will be just as happy as he would have been had he gone with the 8350.
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Decent discussion with some useful info for someone less educated in the practical differences between processors (like... me).

That said, keeping the current system isn't an option. I'm selling it to my brother for cheap to get him onto a more modern system to practice what he's going to school for a little (lot) more efficiently. As I've said, from a motherboard/CPU standpoint I really am starting from scratch; no 'hang onto' or 'upgrade CPU only' option for me.

I went ahead and jumped on the 2600k deal. They're still selling for over $300 new, $200 used. Getting it plus an Asus Maximus V Gene for a little over $300 shipped isn't bad at all, and if either next gen AMD or Intel CPUs turn out to be excellent upgrades then I'm sure I can sell the CPU+mobo combo for about what I paid or at very little loss. No biggie for me either way since allegedly 1150 will use the same mounts as 1155, meaning nothing I buy now would be immediately obsolete if I dropped Sandy for Haswell. Different story if I go AMD, though.

2600K is an amazing chip. SB chips usually clock higher than IB to offset the almost unnoticeable IPC increase and you get HT. All for cheaper than IB chips. Great choice. Will be a great upgrade from PII 955 and it should last a while. Let us know when it all arrives and is up and running. I bet you'll be quite happy with this chip.
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to i5 3570k and u'll be happy.
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