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Hello, I'm upgrading my PC Very soon and i have 3 choices of upgrading .These are my current PC Specs CPU : Core 2 Due e7500. MB : G41-combo gigabyte. and Vga card : Sapphire vapor X 7770 (450 Watt needed) . PSU : 525 Watt cooler master.

My budget is 250-300 $ Max. So my first choice is to upgrade CPU and mother board to Core i5-3570k / ASRock z77 Pro3 , or i can upgrade to
AMD FX-8350 / ASRock 970 Extreme4.

The Third choice is to buy FX-6100 /ASRock 970 Extreme4 + another Vapor X 7770 /7790 and crossfire it with the 7770 i already have .
My aim is that i can play games like crysis 3 on high for next 2-4 years. Which of these choices will last longer and does my PSU support the crossfire ? And if the third choice is the best , does FX-6100 perform well in small video editing or compressing big files ?
Thanks.
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Hello, I'm upgrading my PC Very soon and i have 3 choices of upgrading .These are my current PC Specs CPU : Core 2 Due e7500. MB : G41-combo gigabyte. and Vga card : Sapphire vapor X 7770 (450 Watt needed) . PSU : 525 Watt cooler master.

My budget is 250-300 $ Max. So my first choice is to upgrade CPU and mother board to Core i5-3570k / ASRock z77 Pro3 , or i can upgrade to
AMD FX-8350 / ASRock 970 Extreme4.

The Third choice is to buy FX-6100 /ASRock 970 Extreme4 + another Vapor X 7770 /7790 and crossfire it with the 7770 i already have .
My aim is that i can play games like crysis 3 on high for next 2-4 years. Which of these choices will last longer and does my PSU support the crossfire ? And if the third choice is the best , does FX-6100 perform well in small video editing or compressing big files ?
Thanks.

Let's break it down in simple steps.

1. PSU, Get a new PSU, Something like a Corsair, Bequiet, Fractal Deisg well pretty much any known brand in the 550-650watt region. Look at rewiews, keep it down to a bronze 80+

2. CPU, I'd go with a AMD FX8350 simply because it's cheaper.

3. GPU , Don't go crossfire. Crossfire sounds cool, it looks cool and well sure it is cool! But wait it isn't cool? Yeah....
Stick with the 7770 until next gen GPU's are released but don't get a next gen GPU get a current gen GPU when the stock is sold off.

Yoou might not be able to do all of this with your budget but it's a plan to work towards, just cut back on chewing gum and toothpaste.
 
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Go for the 8350

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If you're really strapped, check out the Phenom II X4 965. They can be had for well under $100 and with a solid motherboard and good overclock, are a very capable gaming chip. You could run that, save a few bucks that you can put toward a better GPU and then when Steamroller comes out next year you'll be able to upgrade to that because it'll be AM3+ socket too.
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The 8350 and Extreme 4 is a good upgrade, but may I suggest.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WZWp

CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($85.50 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Sparkle 400W ATX12V Power Supply ($46.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $272.47
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I love my amd fx 8350 but only thing I can suggest is get a good quality motherboard board if you plan to overclock it and make sure to have a good quality PSU with a high amp single 12v rail vs multiple 12v rails because it is very easy to overload a rail and cause very huge issues later ( like power supply failure and it frying everything attached to it ) basically I have seen power supplies being overloaded for long periods of time then one day you hear a pop and see sparks when this happens a short AC burst of electricity flows thru everything attached to power supply equivalent to setting computer on roof during a thunderstorm and letting it get struck by lightning lol.


I will point out this also the FX 8350 performs very well and overclocks like a mad man and has a lot of extra performance to be had outside of typical voltage / multiplier increase like NB overclocking makes a large difference in performance add to it tightening ram timings and these cpu's love 1866mhz ram especialy at 1T command rate.

The motherboard I suggest that is a great value and is built to last and comes with a 5year warranty and was designed to be tortured and take it like a champ is the ASUS sabertooth 990fx r2.0 that is what I am running and get a solid 24/7 overclock of 4.8ghz x8 100% stable easily even get 5.0ghz x8 100% stable also I will link some proof of this I did 3hours of prime95 maxxed settings and 30 passes of Intel Burn test maxxed settings on 5.0ghz x8 100% pass no failures or issues. http://valid.canardpc.com/2802447 4.8ghz x8 my 24/7 100% stable overclock http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2779392 5.0ghz x8 100% stable

I also want to point out do not rely on any synthetic benchmarks as these usually use the biased Intel compiler / CPU dispatcher ( http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49 this goes all the way upto the mid 2012 Intel compiler scroll down till you see green background and read ) not many know this but 90% of applications / software / games use this Intel compiler but some of the game developers have modified the compiler to work more fairly which was part of the Federal Trade Commissions rules ( http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2010/08/intel.shtm specifically read { In addition, the FTC settlement order will require Intel to: } this will give you a good idea of why this is very relevant to this day )set forth for Intel to allow / do yet Intel has left it for secondary companies to do so on theyre own like Bethesda / EA / Blizzard and so on PLZ understand after next gen consoles hit market the Intel compiler issue will be resolved due to AMD winning contracts on nearly all next gen consoles which will be running custom midrange pc componenets ( CPU / APU DX11 ) including a AMD 8core cpu so therefore game developers will be forced to design games more heavily multithreaded and AMD optimized most games are made for console then ported over to PC.

another set of good info I am getting this out here before the Intel fanboys start criticizing you for going AMD these were done by Linus techtips a notorious Intel fanboy that is also sponsored by Intel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVeN6WEGgg part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6UcsVG56g part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnsfIJtZ2o part 3 he flat out states the facts about the 8350 vs Intel I5 3570k and point out the 8350 is perfectly viable gaming cpu and remains in good playable fps regardless and often runs nearly equal to or better than the I5 3570k even when overclocked and the 8350 setup is cheaper by around $60 or more and also he points out the AMD FX 8350 future is looking brighter because of the next gen consoles and AMD optimizations that will bring to it.

also be aware his 8350 win7 tests did not have the Microsoft FX patches installed http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2646060 and http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594 these are not included in the regular win7 Microsoft windows updates and have to be manualy downloaded and installed you need windows service pack 1 installed and also if one of the patches say doesn't apply to this machine install other patch then retry the one that said didn't apply to this machine http://www.techpowerup.com/158534/new-windows-7-bulldozer-patches-available.html is a good explanation of what these patches do or just read the Microsoft info on the patches and you can understand why this helps performance win7 was not optimized or setup for the new AMD FX architecture on release these patches allow win7 the benefits win8 received as for optimizations for the FX cpu's.

as for the suggestion someone made for the phenom II well that is not a good suggestion given a lot more games are utilizing more than 4 cores and future is more multithreaded given next gen consoles will be 8cores trust me Guild Wars 2 is a perfect example my p2 c3 955 at 4.0ghz x4 struggled to remain playable on same motherboard same day I changed to the 8350 no overclocking at time problem was solved lol so p2 quads for a lot of games will be a waste for you to invest in.
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So u guys prefer FX-8350 as its able to overclock better and it has better potential for the future games and APPS , but unfortunately its gonna be hard to upgrade PSU as im short on cash, so will the FX-8350 work good with is PSU with the normal turbo core ? and why u guys don't like crossfire though AMD 7770 x2 got really nice scores in benchmarks with range in between 70-90% ?
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it is always better to run a single gpu setup because alot of games don't support crossfire / sli also there is less glitches and such associated with single card setups than there is with crossfire / sli .
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I need detailed info on what psu you are referring to aka model number and such then from there I can do a calculation as to what is ok to run on given PSU and remember need to stay under 80% load on the PSU this is not including individual rails and such hince more info needed on the PSU a 525w PSU at 80% is 420w is max safe load I need more info to advise on the individual rails and such.

also if you need info you take the watts per voltage and divide that by the voltage aka 400w / 12v=33.33 amps on 12v rail or 150w / 3v=50amps on 3v rail this is just info to help you understand how to do the math also take amps maximum per rail like say 25amps on 12v rail 1 is 25 amps x 12v = 300w then to figure the 80% load of rail1 you go 300 x 0.80 = 240w max safe load on rail1 this is so you understand the math.
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remember the AMD FX at stock can draw under heavy loads around 150w on the 12v rail the VRM's ( power ram / cpu / and a few other things on motherboard ) use the 12v power then convert over to other voltages needed also the GPU will draw on 12v so will hardrives and cooling fans and such this is why I suggest a large single 12v rail PSU. total just the above things should draw around 250w-325w on 12v rail or 20.83 amps-27.08amps on 12v rail alone not including other factors like what is lost to heat this is basic use and likely will be more than above stated also overtime the components in a POWER SUPPLY break down and do not put out proper amount of power aka the amps / voltage on the rails overtime will degrade aka meening the PSU overtime will not be able to push the amount of power on the rails it states and anything above 80% load on any rail is risky and gets into the dirty power range meening more chances of failures and also high amounts of power spiking going to hardware it is attached to drastically reducing the lifespan of said hardware in often half or more.
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