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The PSU name is "Extreme2 525" ( dual fan ) with dual 12v outputs. model : RS-525-PCAR. protection is OCP / OPP/ OVP / OTP / SCP . So that what i could gather about the PSU info.
http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/powersupply/extreme2/extreme2-525.html see this link for full specs

Also i kinda want to go with AMD but my father prefer the Intel i5, So i want in simple words why AMD would be better than intel so i can tell him.. Plus you told me kinda expensive motherboard that would exceed the budget

In my country 1$ = 7 pound so it really matter from 100$ to 140$ , so it will be nice to tell me a cheaper mother board that can hold overclocking .
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well the AMD FX 8350 will have a stronger future in software / gaming because with next gen consoles being AMD 8cores / APU DX11 heavy multithreaded programing will become mainstream for games / programs and such also the fact better support / optimizations will be brought to the table for AMD's new architecture also facts are once next gen consoles arrive the biased Intel compiler / CPU dispatcher issues will be a thing of the past because other compilers will be designed and optimized for AMD hardware since games are often 70% or more games are made on console then ported over to PC this gives AMD an edge period for future.
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first off I want to point out that PSU will not work very well for Intel I5 or AMD FX 8350 and single hd 7770 little alone 2 so facts are the above mentioned PSU on 12v rails has 2 maxxed out is 20amps a piece so max 100% load is 240w per rail ok 240x0.80=192w per rail to stay at or below 80% load per rail so your cpu / mobo eats 1 rail completely the hardrives eat part of second add fan and your cooling a good 25w-45w are gone out of 2nd 12v rail leaving you a max of 145w left on 2nd 12v rail a single hd 7770 draws under load on 12v rail 210w max draw do you not see an issue not only are you over 100% max load of 12v rails regardless of CPU you use so facts are you needing a larger PSU this is not even figuring the facts if it is used the PSU power output has degraded overtime.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7770-7750-benchmark,3135-14.html this shows power draw on load and idle on hd 7770 under load is 210w on 12v rail and idle of 90w so PLZ understand I am just pointing out facts before you make a mistake that costs you everything you invested in whether you go Intel or AMD when a PSU dies it often fries everything attached to it because of a AC voltage surge put into hardware attached to it hard drives / optical drives / motherboards / graphics cards / sound cards / CPU's / ram along with I have even seen it go as far as fry headsets and PC surround systems.
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crossifre is great! sure theres some bugs, but most can be ironed out with latest drivers and clean installs etc. bang for buck its cheap to get another 7770 then getting an equivelant performance single card.

the intel is a great chip, but the amd will also be great for gaming. up to you. personally id go intel.

dont skimp too much on the montherboard, as its the backbone of ur pc and you want good quality.

not too familiar with your current PSU, but if its at least 80+ bronze it should be fine.

but i think the first thing you should do is upgrade mobo+cpu, then save up again for that 2nd gpu, then if u have instability issues consider a better psu.
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crossifre is great! sure theres some bugs, but most can be ironed out with latest drivers and clean installs etc. bang for buck its cheap to get another 7770 then getting an equivelant performance single card.

the intel is a great chip, but the amd will also be great for gaming. up to you. personally id go intel.

dont skimp too much on the montherboard, as its the backbone of ur pc and you want good quality.

not too familiar with your current PSU, but if its at least 80+ bronze it should be fine.

but i think the first thing you should do is upgrade mobo+cpu, then save up again for that 2nd gpu, then if u have instability issues consider a better psu.

facts are his PSU will not support a single 7770 and a I5 or 8350 plus cooling / hard drives / motherboard and fans and such it has 2 12v rails each maxxing out at 20amps or 240w at 80% that is 192w per rail cpu is around 125w-140w alone hard drives are around 10w-15w a piece then around 25w on motherboard not including ram so 140+15+25=180w add cooling ( each fan draws around 8w-12w@12v ) you get 1st 12v rail ate up already add 210w on 2nd 12v rail for gpu under load not including other fans in tower and such you end up with both rails maxxed out and then some this is not factoring degradation of the PSU overtime or even power lost in the form of heat.

as a PSU ages the components inside breakdown and don't produce power as efficiently there fore if it is rated new at 20 amps on 12v rails in a matter of a year or so it might only produce 18amps on 12v rails and so on this is before you figure in the 80% load thing by the way by the way overloading a PSU triples the degradation of the components within the PSU tripling the chance of catastrophic failure rate.

I will dumb it down this way would you run a POS crap tire on a new Ferrari or would you run a proper tire to allow it to run safely and properly the investment is worth it instead of it being your life in the hands of a POS tire you are putting your hardware in PC's life in the hands of a overloaded over worked PSU which is the lifeblood of everything attached to so a failure there is bad also when they fail it can get very nasty for everything attached to the PSU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP8nFQYQW34 video on the above mentioned failure of a psu the bright sparks and such are AC discharge which backfeeds into everything attached to it including monitors / hardrives / motherboard / cpu / ram / graphics cards / sound cards / headsets / mics / even speaker systems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9g4Crqw41Y this is what it looks like when a psu fails over a overload it looks like a explosion went off inside unit and this is a very high quality high end PSU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrijOqu5oR4 this eventualy happens when you power on a overloaded PSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj8-wNmYJvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqwJk4yCbw4
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facts are his PSU will not support a single 7770 and a I5 or 8350 plus cooling / hard drives / motherboard and fans and such it has 2 12v rails each maxxing out at 20amps or 240w at 80% that is 192w per rail cpu is around 125w-140w alone hard drives are around 10w-15w a piece then around 25w on motherboard not including ram so 140+15+25=180w add cooling ( each fan draws around 8w-12w@12v ) you get 1st 12v rail ate up already add 210w on 2nd 12v rail for gpu under load not including other fans in tower and such you end up with both rails maxxed out and then some this is not factoring degradation of the PSU overtime or even power lost in the form of heat.

as a PSU ages the components inside breakdown and don't produce power as efficiently there fore if it is rated new at 20 amps on 12v rails in a matter of a year or so it might only produce 18amps on 12v rails and so on this is before you figure in the 80% load thing by the way by the way overloading a PSU triples the degradation of the components within the PSU tripling the chance of catastrophic failure rate.

I will dumb it down this way would you run a POS crap tire on a new Ferrari or would you run a proper tire to allow it to run safely and properly the investment is worth it instead of it being your life in the hands of a POS tire you are putting your hardware in PC's life in the hands of a overloaded over worked PSU which is the lifeblood of everything attached to so a failure there is bad also when they fail it can get very nasty for everything attached to the PSU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP8nFQYQW34 video on the above mentioned failure of a psu the bright sparks and such are AC discharge which backfeeds into everything attached to it including monitors / hardrives / motherboard / cpu / ram / graphics cards / sound cards / headsets / mics / even speaker systems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9g4Crqw41Y this is what it looks like when a psu fails over a overload it looks like a explosion went off inside unit and this is a very high quality high end PSU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrijOqu5oR4 this eventualy happens when you power on a overloaded PSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj8-wNmYJvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqwJk4yCbw4

like i said i wasnt familiar with his psu. but i opened the link and saw that you are correct. Big give away to me who doesnt have the knowledge u have on psu's Rickcooper is that it only has 1 pcie connector which immediately rules it out for any kinf of crossfire or high end card.

PSU upgrade should definetly be a high priority if u want to upgrade to better gear.
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facts are his PSU will not support a single 7770 and a I5 or 8350 plus cooling / hard drives / motherboard and fans and such it has 2 12v rails each maxxing out at 20amps or 240w at 80% that is 192w per rail cpu is around 125w-140w alone hard drives are around 10w-15w a piece then around 25w on motherboard not including ram so 140+15+25=180w add cooling ( each fan draws around 8w-12w@12v ) you get 1st 12v rail ate up already add 210w on 2nd 12v rail for gpu under load not including other fans in tower and such you end up with both rails maxxed out and then some this is not factoring degradation of the PSU overtime or even power lost in the form of heat.

as a PSU ages the components inside breakdown and don't produce power as efficiently there fore if it is rated new at 20 amps on 12v rails in a matter of a year or so it might only produce 18amps on 12v rails and so on this is before you figure in the 80% load thing by the way by the way overloading a PSU triples the degradation of the components within the PSU tripling the chance of catastrophic failure rate.

I will dumb it down this way would you run a POS crap tire on a new Ferrari or would you run a proper tire to allow it to run safely and properly the investment is worth it instead of it being your life in the hands of a POS tire you are putting your hardware in PC's life in the hands of a overloaded over worked PSU which is the lifeblood of everything attached to so a failure there is bad also when they fail it can get very nasty for everything attached to the PSU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP8nFQYQW34 video on the above mentioned failure of a psu the bright sparks and such are AC discharge which backfeeds into everything attached to it including monitors / hardrives / motherboard / cpu / ram / graphics cards / sound cards / headsets / mics / even speaker systems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9g4Crqw41Y this is what it looks like when a psu fails over a overload it looks like a explosion went off inside unit and this is a very high quality high end PSU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrijOqu5oR4 this eventualy happens when you power on a overloaded PSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj8-wNmYJvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqwJk4yCbw4

like i said i wasnt familiar with his psu. but i opened the link and saw that you are correct. Big give away to me who doesnt have the knowledge u have on psu's Rickcooper is that it only has 1 pcie connector which immediately rules it out for any kinf of crossfire or high end card.

PSU upgrade should definetly be a high priority if u want to upgrade to better gear.

yes I agree about the pcie connector issue and it isn't to hard to understand the math once you get used to it unless you have a server grade PSU you you need to go by the 80% rule on each rail with server grade psu's even the rated 100% load is underrated by a bit aka my PSU's they are 1200w a piece and are server grade meening rated to be ran 24/7 at 100% load and still be safe http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703012 I run 2 of these in my rig in signature my tower is designed to be capable of holding 2 ( coolermaster HAF 932 full tower ) and I use a special dual PSU adapter http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5637/cpa-167/Lian_Li_Dual_Power_Supply_Adapter_Cable.html to allow both PSU's to fire up at same time these particular PSU's can actually go upto around 1300w-1400w safely and last for years usually the only thing to ever fail in these is the fans lol a simple fix but these are not average enthusiast power supplies these some of the best performing period in meens of voltage regulation / clean power and huge high amp rails on all voltages and are literally industrial server grade.
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The PSU name is "Extreme2 525" ( dual fan ) with dual 12v outputs. model : RS-525-PCAR. protection is OCP / OPP/ OVP / OTP / SCP . So that what i could gather about the PSU info.
http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/powersupply/extreme2/extreme2-525.html see this link for full specs

Also i kinda want to go with AMD but my father prefer the Intel i5, So i want in simple words why AMD would be better than intel so i can tell him.. Plus you told me kinda expensive motherboard that would exceed the budget

In my country 1$ = 7 pound so it really matter from 100$ to 140$ , so it will be nice to tell me a cheaper mother board that can hold overclocking .

well first off with overclocking in mind you best buy a good quality board with enough quality to last or you will be thru this all over again in a very short time or you will be stuck chasing down issues with instability with it all going back to the motherboard buy a quality motherboard for overclocking and the issue is almost never there unless other hardware are at fault but first worry about your PSU issue before trying to upgrade anything the PSU listed will not run either I5 or 8350 + hd 7770 period

I also want to point out going for true gaming performance with crossfire and such with such a low budget is like trying to buy a Ferrari with paper route funds it just wont work or the one you do get will be far from perfect and will be plaqued with issues lol

Key thing buy quality hardware don't skimp on the mains PSU / Motherboard / RAM or you will regret it.

The future is with more cores being utilized ( software / games and such will be optimized for heavy multithreading vs single threaded like most are now ) so the 8350 will be a better buy and actually cheaper route and the next gen AMD CPU steamroller will fit into AM3+ motherboards so buy a quality board and you will be able to overclock and maybe later upgrade CPU. I advise a 850w PSU name brand quality with large single 12v rail a very good one for a good price but is 750w and has server grade internals is under rated a bit is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703027 single 12v rail with a high amp output and some of the best power regulation on market pc power & cooling is one of best enthusiast power supply makers on market but they sold out to OCZ but this one still uses the internals that were server grade.

I also want to point out me I avoid modular PSU's due to the added connections add to more area to break connection and cause issues along with a spot to get hot and cause issues when you go hardcore highend and overclock you want to purchase items with a mindset buying quality and also keep an eye on future issues with the hardware like say modular PSU's I have literally fried 10 or so of the connections on modular PSU's this way when you have a 200w-400w load on a single cable you want as few connections as possible otherwise the current draw will cause heat and melt connectors and such usualy on the PSU itself ( modular PSU connection ) due to that is where the wire is drooping the weight on direct connection to PSU.

yes cable management is a pain in the #$% but either way having a issue vs having rock solid machine for years I prefer the rock solid approach myself and will spend the extra time doing cable management also I cant tell you enough invest in a full tower don't go mid tower the mid ones are a pain in the $%# to do cable management and work in I know from experience add to it full towers allow for more fans / ventilation most of time which is key for good temps and for components to last ( heat is the main killer of electronics ) and be 100% stable.
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Intel I7 5820k 4.6ghz core 4.3ghz CPU cache 1.345v asus sabertooth X99 sold R9 290x's am currently running a R9 280A X... 16gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance LPX 3200mhz 1t 1... 
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M.2 Toshiba OCZ RD400 512gb ASUS DVD rw  liquid cooled cpu and gpu's windows 10 pro 64bit 
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3 x 32lcd/led 2560x1600 wolfking timberwolf EVGA supernova 1300w G2  Thermaltake core X9 
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So from what u guys just said i cant run the i5 + 7770 single card safely on my PSU ?
post #20 of 26
no you cant run it safely on that psu along with motherboard / ram / cooling / hardrives / and other fans and such the amount of power on that PSU is not enough add to it it has 2x12vrails of only 20amps.
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 5820k 4.6ghz core 4.3ghz CPU cache 1.345v asus sabertooth X99 sold R9 290x's am currently running a R9 280A X... 16gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance LPX 3200mhz 1t 1... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
M.2 Toshiba OCZ RD400 512gb ASUS DVD rw  liquid cooled cpu and gpu's windows 10 pro 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3 x 32lcd/led 2560x1600 wolfking timberwolf EVGA supernova 1300w G2  Thermaltake core X9 
MouseMouse PadOther
steel series wow cataclysm 14button programable  wolfking sniper Intel PRO PT dual port PCIe server NIC 
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My System
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 5820k 4.6ghz core 4.3ghz CPU cache 1.345v asus sabertooth X99 sold R9 290x's am currently running a R9 280A X... 16gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance LPX 3200mhz 1t 1... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
M.2 Toshiba OCZ RD400 512gb ASUS DVD rw  liquid cooled cpu and gpu's windows 10 pro 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3 x 32lcd/led 2560x1600 wolfking timberwolf EVGA supernova 1300w G2  Thermaltake core X9 
MouseMouse PadOther
steel series wow cataclysm 14button programable  wolfking sniper Intel PRO PT dual port PCIe server NIC 
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