Overclock.net › Forums › General Hardware › General Processor Discussions › Which is better choice for gaming PC ?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Which is better choice for gaming PC ? - Page 3

post #21 of 26
Thread Starter 
Then what is the psu that u recommend for AMD fx or intel, and wich will be able for a vga card upgrade ?
Just dont go for expensive one .
post #22 of 26
I already linked a good one that will give you enough for crossfire and future upgrades and will last for years and it isn't real expensive the PSU is a major thing you don't go cheap or skimp on it is the lifeblood of entire machine minute it starts sending poisonous power into system system starts dying quickly or all at once everything fries or you have a very scary explosion / flames and a smell that literally will never leave and will have you gagging and puking over it.

watch the videos I linked about PSU failures and such then maybe you will understand what I just mentioned.
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 5820k 4.6ghz core 4.3ghz CPU cache 1.345v asus sabertooth X99 sold R9 290x's am currently running a R9 280A X... 16gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance LPX 3200mhz 1t 1... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
M.2 Toshiba OCZ RD400 512gb ASUS DVD rw  liquid cooled cpu and gpu's windows 10 pro 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3 x 32lcd/led 2560x1600 wolfking timberwolf EVGA supernova 1300w G2  Thermaltake core X9 
MouseMouse PadOther
steel series wow cataclysm 14button programable  wolfking sniper Intel PRO PT dual port PCIe server NIC 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 5820k 4.6ghz core 4.3ghz CPU cache 1.345v asus sabertooth X99 sold R9 290x's am currently running a R9 280A X... 16gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance LPX 3200mhz 1t 1... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
M.2 Toshiba OCZ RD400 512gb ASUS DVD rw  liquid cooled cpu and gpu's windows 10 pro 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3 x 32lcd/led 2560x1600 wolfking timberwolf EVGA supernova 1300w G2  Thermaltake core X9 
MouseMouse PadOther
steel series wow cataclysm 14button programable  wolfking sniper Intel PRO PT dual port PCIe server NIC 
  hide details  
Reply
post #23 of 26
Thread Starter 
Well you pointed on the PSU issue that i would never notice , I searched for some other PSUs that match with your advices and i found this http://www.amazon.com/Apevia-ATX-AQ700W-700-Watt-Power-Supply/dp/B003EH7TKA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1368629800&sr=8-4&keywords=700w+PSU , and also i found this http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Builder-Series-Bronze-Certified/dp/B008RJZQSW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1368629863&sr=8-3&keywords=750w+PSU

Finally there was this PSU http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/powersupply/extreme2/extreme2-725.html.
So what is your opinion from these PSUs ?


I know i asked u many questions and im grateful for that , but im just trying to find suitable specs with my budget .
Edited by Gebo - 5/15/13 at 8:10am
post #24 of 26
ok first off apevia PSU myself I wouldn't trust because of past experience and also they are known for using cheap components in them 2 the coolermaster one is non PFC http://power-topics.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-is-pfc-and-why-do-i-need-it.html about what PFC also there has been some common failure rates of this particular model. That leaves you with the corsair CX750 which out of experience the CX series doesn't hold up very well under demand these are the corsair budget line and are known for bad coil whine and in end abysmal failure with lots of smoke / flames and a loud bang watch the videos I linked 2 of them are corsair CX series that exploded and such.

I want to point this out a PSU without PFC rated at 750w is more like a 500w PSU because under hard load the without PFC the power ripple goes haywire degrading the performance in other words when you put the PSU under load the output starts dropping amp wise badly in other wards say the graphics card loads up hard it draws 200w without PFC that 200w is more like 300w-350w of load according to the PSU making anything drawing power from PSU more likely to overload the PSU.

also non PFC power supplies do not usualy put out very clean power to components therefore causing extra wear and tear on the hardware it is attached to in other words cuts lifespan of anything attached to the non PFC PSU also add to it without PFC the PSU also wastes a lot more power to make power for the PC in other wards the PSU will run hotter have higher failure rate and add to it will slowly or fastly destroy hardware it is attached to.

The cheaper PSU's are cheap for a reason they are budget low end oriented meening not designed for high usage or load which gaming / crossfire / sli / and overclocking and such are not associated with budget low end PSU's otherwise money you spend on the hardware and running a cheap junk PSU is like using water for oil in a Ferrari it will be catastrophic failure and destroy the whole investment.

invest in a good quality PSU with way more than needed power that way it will last you for years in multiple builds / upgrades the PSU I suggested on other post is a perfect example and leaves you room to expand / overclock / do sli and crossfire and 7yrs of warranty and it is server grade period for that price the PSU I linked is a steal and will last you a very longtime atleast 5-7yrs and several builds / upgrades later http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703027&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Power+Supplies-_-PC+Power+and+Cooling-_-17703027 is the one I suggest to last you for years it has all the main things you need to look for PFC / good high amp rails on all voltages / good warranty and a strong track record along with 7yr warranty and 80+ silver rated.

I also want to point out any reviews you find of these PSU's being failures and such often are user error or another issue like for say someone skimping on a set of dirt chaep junk ram and machine wont fire up so they blame the PSU or they assemble the rig wrong and don't have the power up button connected properly lol I know from experience PC POWER & COOLING are some of the best PSU's in the world there is a reason they are the most widely used manufacturers of server PSU's designed for heavy loads 24/7 for years without shutdown on major server hubs and such.

I have around 12 of the PC power & cooling PSU's for years and have yet to have a single one fail one has been running nearly 24/7 for 6yrs without issue I shut it down every six months ( 1hour or less ) and blow dust out of PSU / server and fire server back up custom made server ( I built ) ( AMD FX 8150 { thinking about replacing with 8320 or 8350 } stock 16gb of 1600mhz ram and 6tb of hardrives ) that runs my home network server / media server / backup server / and a few game servers and 3 Ventrilo servers all 24/7 it has other stuff on it that it runs also but you get the point lol.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 5/16/13 at 9:19am
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 5820k 4.6ghz core 4.3ghz CPU cache 1.345v asus sabertooth X99 sold R9 290x's am currently running a R9 280A X... 16gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance LPX 3200mhz 1t 1... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
M.2 Toshiba OCZ RD400 512gb ASUS DVD rw  liquid cooled cpu and gpu's windows 10 pro 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3 x 32lcd/led 2560x1600 wolfking timberwolf EVGA supernova 1300w G2  Thermaltake core X9 
MouseMouse PadOther
steel series wow cataclysm 14button programable  wolfking sniper Intel PRO PT dual port PCIe server NIC 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 5820k 4.6ghz core 4.3ghz CPU cache 1.345v asus sabertooth X99 sold R9 290x's am currently running a R9 280A X... 16gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance LPX 3200mhz 1t 1... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
M.2 Toshiba OCZ RD400 512gb ASUS DVD rw  liquid cooled cpu and gpu's windows 10 pro 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3 x 32lcd/led 2560x1600 wolfking timberwolf EVGA supernova 1300w G2  Thermaltake core X9 
MouseMouse PadOther
steel series wow cataclysm 14button programable  wolfking sniper Intel PRO PT dual port PCIe server NIC 
  hide details  
Reply
post #25 of 26
if you don't believe me about the apevia one read the details under the 1 egg on here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817148040 cases of fire smoke and complete failure.

add to it it has 108 5eggs and 30 1eggs I don't think that is a good success rate for a power supply so I would say the common failure rate is pretty high that is not including the 2eggs and son on.

out of the ones you listed the corsair is the best spec wise but be aware it has a high failure rate look into it most don't last more than a few months to a year under best situations not including crossfire / overclocking.

overclocking increases the power draw of CPU's / GPU's / ram you name it the 8350 stock max load all eco features off is around 140w overclock it to 4.8ghz x8 it is around 200w-250w the Intel I5 3570k is around 200w-225w or so also at around 4.4ghz x4 when you do so on the GPU's same thing happens so overclocking period requires a very dependable designed for torture PSU / motherboard which trying to be budget friendly ( whether you go Intel or AMD ) isn't going to work with so if you are attempting to play with the big dogs with overclocking / crossfire / sli and so on you better get a better budget and buy quality components to allow you to do so otherwise your results will be headache and regret and likely smoke a lot of lost hardware because you skimped on the vitals in otherwards to do above things you want you need to buy quality parts designed for just these things everything I have linked / suggested ( asus sabrtooth 990fx r2.0 motherboard / the 750w pc power & cooling PSU ) are designed for this and literally are bullet proof for these things.. I also would like to mention have been tested and tried and have a very reliable track record for achieving expectations and goals.

I also want to point out a lot of the budget low cost motherboards don't overclock well also they hold back your performance due to lack of main chipsets like for AMD the 970 boards they hold back the CPU a lot in performance and also hold back crossfire / sli setups also by quite a bit so buying a budget board with intentions of doing overclocking / crossfire / sli is like buying a geo metro and expecting it to perform like a Ferrari you buy a metro you get a metro granted you can squeeze a bit more performance than stock but nothing like buying a quality board designed for what you are attempting.

I even take my AMD FX 8350 to 5.3ghz x8 not fully stable but get it there and thru several benchmarks but I do get 5.0ghz x8 100% stable http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2779392 but I don't use it 24/7 because I don't like the voltage so high for 24/7 my 24/7 is 4.8ghz x8 100% stable http://valid.canardpc.com/2804509 . I am also running 16gb 4x 4gb sticks of 1866mhz ram at 1t and full 1866mhz so I know my stuff and also run 2 of these setups 24/7 one in my sig and second I am on now so I know this hardware and can assure you this is one of best motherboards ( will also accept next gen steamroller CPU ) for what you said you are after and it is a descent price compared to Intel equivalent motherboards so going Intel side will cost you a lot more eating even more of your budget up.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 5/16/13 at 10:37am
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 5820k 4.6ghz core 4.3ghz CPU cache 1.345v asus sabertooth X99 sold R9 290x's am currently running a R9 280A X... 16gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance LPX 3200mhz 1t 1... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
M.2 Toshiba OCZ RD400 512gb ASUS DVD rw  liquid cooled cpu and gpu's windows 10 pro 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3 x 32lcd/led 2560x1600 wolfking timberwolf EVGA supernova 1300w G2  Thermaltake core X9 
MouseMouse PadOther
steel series wow cataclysm 14button programable  wolfking sniper Intel PRO PT dual port PCIe server NIC 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 5820k 4.6ghz core 4.3ghz CPU cache 1.345v asus sabertooth X99 sold R9 290x's am currently running a R9 280A X... 16gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance LPX 3200mhz 1t 1... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
M.2 Toshiba OCZ RD400 512gb ASUS DVD rw  liquid cooled cpu and gpu's windows 10 pro 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3 x 32lcd/led 2560x1600 wolfking timberwolf EVGA supernova 1300w G2  Thermaltake core X9 
MouseMouse PadOther
steel series wow cataclysm 14button programable  wolfking sniper Intel PRO PT dual port PCIe server NIC 
  hide details  
Reply
post #26 of 26
I understand you are on a budget but there are things you need to get that will last key thing is the PSU ( it is the lifeblood of entire setup and if you skimp here might as well feed system poison and tell it to die shortly after you build it especialy since you want crossfire / sli and overclocking ) a good one will last you several years and several builds if you clean it out every 6 months or so as far as motherboard goes it is second most vital component ( 3rd is the ram ) for stability / reliability skimping here will net you poor performance especially when wanting to overclock and run crossfire / sli . I say this because on the lower end mobos they often perform poorly especially when set in crossfire / sli or attempting to overclock they become highly unstable or all out fry so skimping on the vitals with your needs / goals is like trying to force a rust bucket POS car to win in NASCAR it might make it around the track by no meens will it even compete and likely wont survive the race.

I want to point out the last analogy was not meant to offend any other fellow gearheads like me I used to have a sleeper 73 GTO looked like it was ready for the scrapyard but would lift front wheels and literally drag bumper for literally 1/2 a block that car is now fully restored still highly hopped up 673hp and 483ftlb of torque and is my pride and joy my very first car built it from ground up had it for over 15yrs now and is babied now that it is finished and has won 8 car shows and also has won many local events over the past 10yrs.

I will add a simpler way of understanding say you buy a prize winning hunting dog would you feed it good food or dirt cheap crap food a little hint you feed a good hunting dog crap food they become sickly and die over it or simply you go outside to get dog ready to hunt it and find dog so weak it cant hardly walk because they don't get enough nourishment to cover the calories / nutrients / minerals they need to keep theyre strength and health up and you end up with a dead dog or a ruined dog that could have been easily avoided by just feeding it good nutritious food ( believe it or not this is a very common issue with pets in general owners neglect them with improper nutrition ) when you buy a cheap PSU with out the features you need and with poor power quality this is what happens to the GPU / motherboard / hardrives and so on.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 5/17/13 at 11:28am
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 5820k 4.6ghz core 4.3ghz CPU cache 1.345v asus sabertooth X99 sold R9 290x's am currently running a R9 280A X... 16gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance LPX 3200mhz 1t 1... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
M.2 Toshiba OCZ RD400 512gb ASUS DVD rw  liquid cooled cpu and gpu's windows 10 pro 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3 x 32lcd/led 2560x1600 wolfking timberwolf EVGA supernova 1300w G2  Thermaltake core X9 
MouseMouse PadOther
steel series wow cataclysm 14button programable  wolfking sniper Intel PRO PT dual port PCIe server NIC 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7 5820k 4.6ghz core 4.3ghz CPU cache 1.345v asus sabertooth X99 sold R9 290x's am currently running a R9 280A X... 16gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance LPX 3200mhz 1t 1... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
M.2 Toshiba OCZ RD400 512gb ASUS DVD rw  liquid cooled cpu and gpu's windows 10 pro 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3 x 32lcd/led 2560x1600 wolfking timberwolf EVGA supernova 1300w G2  Thermaltake core X9 
MouseMouse PadOther
steel series wow cataclysm 14button programable  wolfking sniper Intel PRO PT dual port PCIe server NIC 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: General Processor Discussions
Overclock.net › Forums › General Hardware › General Processor Discussions › Which is better choice for gaming PC ?