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Does not disprove the point I am trying to make. AMD's APUs cover an extremely niche market that will only get swallowed up by Intel.
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Originally Posted by HanSomPa View Post

Does not disprove the point I am trying to make. AMD's APUs cover an extremely niche market that will only get swallowed up by Intel.

Somehow I don't think so. AMD has traditionally offered a better price/performance ratio so unless the new 5200 GPU's get put on CPUs in the AMD price range and not on i7/i5's then AMD has nothing to worry about.
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Does not disprove the point I am trying to make. AMD's APUs cover an extremely niche market that will only get swallowed up by Intel.

AMD is preparing the ground for Kaveri and APU's are very viable option for people that are low on cash or want something simple and reliable. You play League Of Legends and StarCraft 2...

Both games are good, except technically are outdated in regards League of Legends use only one core like it was made in 2005-2006 and StarCraft 2 was released in 2010 when four core processors became common and Phenom 2 x6(six core) was released...

DOTA 2 can use 4 cores compared to League Of Legends that can use only 1 core. Are there any RTS game that uses more than 2 cores?

Keep trashing AMD's APU's ultil Kaveri gets out and you get blown out of the water. thumb.gif

@Deadboy90
Intel HD 5200 is only for BGA right? smile.gif

I don't believe synthetic benchmarks if it does not transfer to real world performance in video games...
Edited by vampirr - 5/14/13 at 9:52am
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AMD is preparing the ground for Kaveri and APU's are very viable option for people that are low on cash or want something simple and reliable.

Something simple and reliable? That's exactly my point. You can easily spend 500-600$ on an Intel option. See, not everyone plays games. The majority of students at college, and by majority I mean 90%, do not play games that warrant a dedicated GPU. Intel offers a better experience from that perspective and I agree. When the majority of your time is spent browsing, watching video, 1080p, and office work. You rmoney is better spent on a superior screen, superior CPU, and a more style design. Aesthetics do matter(Which is why I'd never get caught with a gaming laptop).
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You play League Of Legends and StarCraft 2...

Which has a far bigger player base than most games. In fact, games with the biggest player base are usually MMOs, MOBAs, and RTSs. Ironically games that do not require a lot of graphics muscle. Only furthers my point. The majority of people out there, even among gamers, do not need a powerful APU.
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Both games are good, except technically are outdated in regards League of Legends use only one core like it was made in 2005-2006 and StarCraft 2 was released in 2010 when four core processors became common and Phenom 2 x6(six core) was released...

This is completely irrelevant to what I'm saying. Did I ever dispute that AMD has a superior APU solution? No, I am just stating that it is not relevant anymore. If Trinity was present in 2010=2011 it would've made has a much bigger impact. Nowdays, HD3000 or 4000 suffice most needs.
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DOTA 2 can use 4 cores compared to League Of Legends that can use only 1 core. Are there any RTS game that uses more than 2 cores?

Keep trashing AMD's APU's ultil Kaveri gets out and you get blown out of the water. thumb.gif

I stopped taking you seriously after this. Where am I trashing anything? Look at my rig. I am a big fan of AMD because I believe their APU solution can provide something truly remarkable given enough time. You're the one who's clearly trash talking now. League of Legends and Starcraft 2 dominate twitch at the moment. They are actually games that generate money for the industry through competition. They are the two most important games right now. The fact that they can be run on most hardware is a boon and not in any way a disadvantage. I find it hilarious that you mention DOTA2 when you trash talk LoL. They are the same thing and work towards the same goal. Diversifying and expanding the eSports industry. Would you like more text? Or maybe you should use a needle on that huge ego balloon you got going on there.
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I don't believe synthetic benchmarks if it does not transfer to real world performance in video games...

Probably because you don't believe anything related to Intel through your AMD tinted goggles. Are there actual legit reasons not to trust synthetic benchmarks? Plenty. Are synthetic benchmarks still relevant? A lot more than most of the babbling in this thread.

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Somehow I don't think so. AMD has traditionally offered a better price/performance ratio so unless the new 5200 GPU's get put on CPUs in the AMD price range and not on i7/i5's

Intel doesn't even need to. As long as 70-80% of this performance is available on Pentiums and i3s, Intel has already swallowed up a decent chunk of the APU market. It's not about outperforming, but encroaching territory.
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then AMD has nothing to worry about.

It's hilarious how people the same old drivel over and over again. We have to be cynical, and we have to analyze things critically. To come to a conclusion that AMD has nothing to worry about is just irresponsible as a consumer. We've all watched as we sat on words like, "Bulldozer" "Trinity" "Piledriver" and AMD under delivered so many times. Where have we actually seen solid, excellent launches? 5xxx series, and 7xxx series. Good rumors and solid launches. Remember when Intel released Sandy? That was nothing short of amazing, the kind of performance that was delivered to consumers in one generation.
Edited by HanSomPa - 5/14/13 at 10:15am
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Does not disprove the point I am trying to make. AMD's APUs cover an extremely niche market that will only get swallowed up by Intel.

What niche market? The entire laptop market? That's niche? The end goal for both companies is to compete evenly in this market. The HD graphics by Intel is gaining a lot of ground, I give them props for how much they've pushed. You just can't compare two companies when one bought out a dedicated solution and is now using it as an IGP solution. That's the problem, which Intel is going to have to stuff a lot of money in R&D to get even close.

I'm not saying AMD will ever take over but they are a nice viable option for today. Plenty of people would love an A-Series chip, your just trying to make the chips look like crap with a high price range. In benchmakrs some of the higher up A-Series chips do compete with an i3 as well as price affordable.

After you get above an i3, you either do some ridiculously powerful CPU intensive stuff or you have a gaming rig. Which one I could see going an Intel route, but as for gaming rigs both offer very good solutions. Your point of AMD getting swallowed up by Intel is crap. Kinda like what I do in the bathroom, crap. If they were going to be "swallowed up" it would have happened way before now.
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What niche market? The entire laptop market? That's niche?

Budget gaming. Unless you can tell me what other role I should pick inferior CPU performance for? An i3 can do everything an APU can with better speed. Documents? Office work? Accounting programs? Watching movies? Browsing the Internet? Torrenting? The only real application you can use the APUs for is budget multi-media. Even for intensive photoshop, CAD work I'd rather borrow a workstation computer, or use a campus workstation rather than use a slow laptop solution on a budget. So we're left with light multimedia work. Which, I don't care if you want to admit it or not, is gaming. That's pretty much it. Are there other applications that could benefit from extra GPU muscle? Yes, but again, they are a niche.
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The end goal for both companies is to compete evenly in this market. The HD graphics by Intel is gaining a lot of ground, I give them props for how much they've pushed. You just can't compare two companies when one bought out a dedicated solution and is now using it as an IGP solution. That's the problem, which Intel is going to have to stuff a lot of money in R&D to get even close.

Sure I can compare the two. They are both competing for my dollar. Why can't I?
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I'm not saying AMD will ever take over but they are a nice viable option for today.

It's not a bout being a viable option, it's about being a superior option at a certain price level. AMD is not the "obvious choice." It's not even the "logical choice." Intel is already obnoxiously pricing i5 laptops, and that's because they can. An i3 does everything most people could possibly want. AMD's APUs cater to an incredibly small amount of people in an already small demographic. Which harr harr, is why Intel is dominating the mobile market.
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Plenty of people would love an A-Series chip, your just trying to make the chips look like crap with a high price range. In benchmakrs some of the higher up A-Series chips do compete with an i3 as well as price affordable.

I am not. Is it my tone? Is it what I'm trying to say? Is it the idea that AMD is simply not that competitive that offends and completely shuts down your reasoning? What an A series laptop has is versatility. Versatility that most people just don't need. There are 40,000 students at my campus. 95% of laptop users have an Intel pc. Many of them complain about lag and freezing. This is mostly due to poor maintenance, aging hardware, slow HDD. A very, very small percentage of them actually have the issue of insufficient GPU power. And that very small percentage is gamers. So I am not trying to "make AMD looks bad." I am simply stating what AMD fans have been telling us all in 2010-2011. That there is such a thing as "good-enough" performance. Ironically this applies not just to CPU but to GPU as well. Except in this case, CPU performance improves your experience more than GPU performance simply because we are at a point where playing 1080p movies on your laptop doesn't make you lag. There is very little reason to pick AMD over Intel in this case. How about you all try to argue that, instead of attacking me with your fanboy specials. It's funny hwo you guys call me that considering I have an AMD CPU, and an AMD GPU.
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After you get above an i3, you either do some ridiculously powerful CPU intensive stuff or you have a gaming rig. Which one I could see going an Intel route, but as for gaming rigs both offer very good solutions. Your point of AMD getting swallowed up by Intel is crap. Kinda like what I do in the bathroom, crap. If they were going to be "swallowed up" it would have happened way before now.

Crap? My point is crap? How about the fact that AMD's marketshare used to be 25%? It's like what, less than 10 now? How about we call everything that actually critcizes AMD crap? Yeah, let's do that. THe fact that AMD has been losing money almost every quarter is crap. The fact that the Bulldozer launch has been a complete failure is crap. The fact that AMD couldn't field a real, proper, and powerful response to the Titan is crap. The fact that AMD"s dual GPU card release has been late for the last two generations now is complete crap. The fact that AMD has worse support for DDR is complete crap. The fact that HSA is going slow is complete crap too. Let's call everything that raises a valid issue and criticism of AMD's strategy crap man. Let's do it your way. That'll be productive.
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@han

Why are you so gungho about Wanting AMD dead? They are the only company that can keep both Intel and NVIDIA in check and ensure that that they both have to keep innovating and being competitive in both price and performance. Without AMD we would have a monopoly on the CPU and GPU markets, prices would skyrocket and innovation would die.
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@han

Why are you so gungho about Wanting AMD dead?

I do not understand where people get this idea. Seriously, I don't. I am actually a big fan of AMD but I am not gonna go out of my way to pick an inferior product. I like getting my dollar's worth. I am simply stating fact, AMD's offering are not as attractive as Intel's at this point and as Intel continues to offer better and better GPU performance any reason to get an AMD APU other than moderate gaming will be gone. Why does this worry me? It means less revenue for AMD, a company I want to survive and show me where HSA can go.
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They are the only company that can keep both Intel and NVIDIA in check and ensure that that they both have to keep innovating and being competitive in both price and performance. Without AMD we would have a monopoly on the CPU and GPU markets, prices would skyrocket and innovation would die.

I am sorry, but this is not the 1850s, or the 1990s. Would Intel exploit a monopoly? Sure, will it stifle Innovation? No, there is more the computing world than x86. Also, if Intel is going to screw us out of our money they'll be much smarter about it. No more unlcocking to start with. Inferior components, etc. i5s won't suddenly cost a thousand dollars. I hope I answered all of your questions. Overclock.net should be able to handle a discussion without it degrading to fanboying.
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@han

Why are you so gungho about Wanting AMD dead? They are the only company that can keep both Intel and NVIDIA in check and ensure that that they both have to keep innovating and being competitive in both price and performance. Without AMD we would have a monopoly on the CPU and GPU markets, prices would skyrocket and innovation would die.

 

sounds to me like he wants them to step up to the plate, not retreat.

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@HanSomPa

I reckon you will jump to Kaveri APU model with 3 Steamroller modules and a Radeon HD 7750-7790 performance or 7850 since AMD is going to release Volcanic Islands 20nm GPU that could have twice the performance of 7xxx series.
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