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Fx-8350 already matches 3770K in multithread benchmarks, plus being on the newer base architecture(FX traces back to Bulldozer while all Core processor traces back to Conroe) it could be easier for AMD to extract more performance with each iteration. If Intel doesn't leverage its advantage in Fab Tech into more cores it is only a matter time for AMD to surpass Intel mainstream CPU in performance.

AMD does not have anything nearly as powerful as a 3770. Just because you can find some scenarios where the FX chip doesn't totally suck doesn't mean it is comparatively as powerful. And any time Intel needs to add more cores to their X770 series of chips they certainly can. And they would be real cores not partial cores that share components. The reason AMD is using so many "cores" is to try and compensate for the inherent lackluster IPC performance. Most programs can not take advantage of more than four cores, this is why Intel does not use more than four cores in most of their processors. Seriously I would love to see AMD make some really fast CPU's. But they don't have the massive budget that Intel has to develop better, more advanced chips. I hope they figure out something soon, because this is not good for any of us.
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All those Intel APU's are used by people that don't give a crap about graphic performance,for web browsing and work applications. This is about gaming. Have you not heard what APU's will being driving the next PS4 AND XBOX? You do realize how many units that will represent? The did not pick AMD because of inferior performance. APU's future is not just about desktops. Add in ARM to AMD's side as well. This is why AMD's stock is rising,not falling. wink.gif

Orly?

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-A53SD-TS71-750GB-NVIDIA-Laptop/dp/B0072VQHM0

$1300

i7-2670QM (2.2 GHz)

4GB DDR3 10600, 750GB Hard Drive

GT 610M 2GB (BECAUSE WHY NOT?)

Customers' review:
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great laptop, hard to beat for the price. plays all my games well, tho i cant run everything at full. which is a fine tradeoff, cant get better than this for the price.
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Great laptop. Best bang for buck

Super fast and a very light laptop. Highly recommend Asus products after buying my first router from them. This laptop is no different. Great looking screen and the keyboard is designed for easy use and cleaning.


I just looked at my Facebook page. A friend of mine was asking what laptop to buy for college without saying what he planned on using it for. Someone suggested; "A i3/i5/i7 2 GHz at least".

You average consumer will see "Intel" and "i7", and buy it. Then turn down the graphics until it looks like a muddy mess and play at 20 FPS max. AMD APU? WTH is that? Herp derp, I'll just stick with Intel because I know the brand!
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Orly?

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-A53SD-TS71-750GB-NVIDIA-Laptop/dp/B0072VQHM0

$1300

i7-2670QM (2.2 GHz)

4GB DDR3 10600, 750GB Hard Drive

GT 610M 2GB (BECAUSE WHY NOT?)

Customers' review:

I just looked at my Facebook page. A friend of mine was asking what laptop to buy for college without saying what he planned on using it for. Someone suggested; "A i3/i5/i7 2 GHz at least".

You average consumer will see "Intel" and "i7", and buy it. Then turn down the graphics until it looks like a muddy mess and play at 20 FPS max. AMD APU? WTH is that? Herp derp, I'll just stick with Intel because I know the brand!


rolleyes.gif DISCRETE GPU
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rolleyes.gif DISCRETE GPU

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-610M.63759.0.html

If you browse through the GPU lists, it ranks the HD 4000 higher than the GT 610m.

That's like pairing a PCI-based GT 520 to an A10 5800K, and disabling the Radeon 7660D GPU.

Oh OEMs... What are your engineers and marketers are tripping on?
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AMD does not have anything nearly as powerful as a 3770. Just because you can find some scenarios where the FX chip doesn't totally suck doesn't mean it is comparatively as powerful. And any time Intel needs to add more cores to their X770 series of chips they certainly can. And they would be real cores not partial cores that share components. The reason AMD is using so many "cores" is to try and compensate for the inherent lackluster IPC performance. Most programs can not take advantage of more than four cores, this is why Intel does not use more than four cores in most of their processors. Seriously I would love to see AMD make some really fast CPU's. But they don't have the massive budget that Intel has to develop better, more advanced chips. I hope they figure out something soon, because this is not good for any of us.

lol you are much more than just a fanboy tongue.gif
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AMD does not have anything nearly as powerful as a 3770. Just because you can find some scenarios where the FX chip doesn't totally suck doesn't mean it is comparatively as powerful. And any time Intel needs to add more cores to their X770 series of chips they certainly can. And they would be real cores not partial cores that share components. The reason AMD is using so many "cores" is to try and compensate for the inherent lackluster IPC performance. Most programs can not take advantage of more than four cores, this is why Intel does not use more than four cores in most of their processors. Seriously I would love to see AMD make some really fast CPU's. But they don't have the massive budget that Intel has to develop better, more advanced chips. I hope they figure out something soon, because this is not good for any of us.

Sure they aren't real core, they are partial cores
because 8 partial cores = 4 real cores.
...then what is the point to say that AMD uses more core to compensate tongue.gif
so here where did the compensation come from ? rolleyes.gif
do you really understand what you have just said ? biggrin.gif
Edited by sumitlian - 5/15/13 at 10:28am
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The Bulldozer-based architecture gives it better multithread performance without devoting additional die spaces to include additional FPUs. Intel could give mainstream i7s six cores, but I doubt it would happen anytime soon.

I think AMD would've better off releasing a 32nm K10 based CPU, and release Piledriver as Bulldozer when more games had 4+ core support.

AMD was ahead of the market by about two years with an undercooked architecture, and suffered.
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The Bulldozer-based architecture gives it better multithread performance without devoting additional die spaces to include additional FPUs. Intel could give mainstream i7s six cores, but I doubt it would happen anytime soon.

I think AMD would've better off releasing a 32nm K10 based CPU, and release Piledriver as Bulldozer when more games had 4+ core support.

AMD was ahead of the market by about two years with an undercooked architecture, and suffered.

mainstream hexcore i7 will happen when Steamroller beats quad core i7s across the board( seems more and more likely now with disappointing Haswell benches), 14nm die shrink gives plenty of die area/power consumption headroom for it. Intel is making guesses about how Steamroller will perform right now based on whatever info they have, If they deem that a serious threat, Broadwell can be altered to counter it(its design finalizes around the time Steamroller enters mass production).

When AMD gains an advantage, Intel will respond quickly (Athlon64X2 in 05, Conroe in 06).
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Woah guys.

1. AMD APU purpose is not to play games, it is HSA. AMD is just using games as a stepping stone to get people to buy APUs and to get the idea out there. The time will come when APU means floating math on GCN cores, not FPU, and when that happens, Intel won't follow and AMD will leak ahead.

2. Why is it Nvidia and Intel keep using 3dmark11? We have a new version. Does it have to do with the fact AMD is better at the new 3dmark? Probably, and it makes me giggle inside.

I can imagine the conversation in the marketing department now

"We need marketing slides and fake leaks to create interest in our product, go!"

"Ok, lets find a good benchmark to run!"

"They just came out with a new version of 3dmark, it looks impressive and tests the latest features of DX and graphics cards"

"Well that's no good, the gap between us and the competition is smaller, find an older version that makes us look better!"

"AH, I found it, no one will care that we're using an old version of a benchmark, and it'll make us look better than we are!"

"Brilliant, fire up 3dmark11, plop 2600mhz DDR3 in our rig, put 1333mhz single channel in the other one, and then lets compare scores! Marketing slide achieved!"
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Woah guys.

1. AMD APU purpose is not to play games, it is HSA. AMD is just using games as a stepping stone to get people to buy APUs and to get the idea out there. The time will come when APU means floating math on GCN cores, not FPU, and when that happens, Intel won't follow and AMD will leak ahead.

2. Why is it Nvidia and Intel keep using 3dmark11? We have a new version. Does it have to do with the fact AMD is better at the new 3dmark? Probably, and it makes me giggle inside.

I can imagine the conversation in the marketing department now

"We need marketing slides and fake leaks to create interest in our product, go!"

"Ok, lets find a good benchmark to run!"

"They just came out with a new version of 3dmark, it looks impressive and tests the latest features of DX and graphics cards"

"Well that's no good, the gap between us and the competition is smaller, find an older version that makes us look better!"

"AH, I found it, no one will care that we're using an old version of a benchmark, and it'll make us look better than we are!"

"Brilliant, fire up 3dmark11, plop 2600mhz DDR3 in our rig, put 1333mhz single channel in the other one, and then lets compare scores! Marketing slide achieved!"

This! lachen.gif
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