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Why?

Because it works in form factors that an A10 doesn't work in. It presumably has better graphics performance AND better efficiency. I shouldn't have to explain the ramifications of:

1) better efficiency
2) better graphics performance
3) works in ultra portable devices (probably)

To you, do I? You can't use the A10 in anything but a desktop or HTPC. The GT3E Iris pro works in MANY MORE form factors because it has better efficiency, lower TDP.

Now i'm just speculating on a lot of this. But if the GT3E works in ultra portables such as the Macbook air and ultrabooks, AMD has a reason to worry. A big reason to worry. Hell, nvidia has reason to worry as well. Pretty sure apple would drop all nvidia discrete chips, most of their products already are using only HD4000.
post #52 of 199
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Probably looking at about 3-5 years before dedicated GPU's will become optional and not required to run a lot of mainstream games..
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Not gonna happen.

The future is fusion, in 5 years if we're still on here I'll remind you that you said that it will never happen tongue.gif.
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At least intel is trying to improve there igps.

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post #54 of 199
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Because it works in form factors that an A10 doesn't work in. It presumably has better graphics performance AND better efficiency. I shouldn't have to explain the ramifications of:

1) better efficiency
2) better graphics performance
3) works in ultra portable devices (probably)

To you, do I? You can't use the A10 in anything but a desktop or HTPC. The GT3E Iris pro works in MANY MORE form factors because it has better efficiency, lower TDP.

1) Haswell with GT3e vs what? Trinity? It is 8 months older. And it does have 35W counterparts, and a 65W version which by the way, I am using in an AIO thumb.gif. Believe me when I say AMD has classed the TDP figures quite conservatively. I can lower power consumption so much the entire power bill for the AIO runs with a 90W PicoPSU. If that isn't efficiency, then I don't know what it is.

Richland is just a mere improvement over this, but this mere improvement keeps power consumption and boosts performance more than a 20%, mostly in the IGP. And Kaveri is just around the corner, with improved CPU cores and GCN graphics, alongside with GDDR5 support.

Haswell's reign, if happens, will be pretty short-lived in this aspect.

2) Excuse me? You aren't comparing Haswell which by the way hasn't been released yet, to Trinity, aren't you?

3) Probably. Yeah, ULV parts will. At what cost? Last generation an i7 ULV chip (and only the chip) had 2/3 the cost of an AMD A10-based laptop.
   
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The future is fusion, in 5 years if we're still on here I'll remind you that you said that it will never happen tongue.gif.

I should clarify, I don't believe integrated graphics will ever REPLACE dedicated.
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If I remember correctly, the GT3e parts have a TDP of 50 watts. That's not exactly ultrabook material.
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post #57 of 199
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If I remember correctly, the GT3e parts have a TDP of 50 watts. That's not exactly ultrabook material.

Sure it can be? When you consider there are a few ultra slim devices using both the GT650M and the intel ULV chip. The combined TDP of both would exceed 50W.

It all depends on whether GT3 is packaged with the ULV chips - if it is, that will be a game changer. Nvidia would definitely have a reason to fear such a combo, if performance is as good as rumored. It would exclude them from being included in any Apple products, which no company in their right mind would want. Now, of course nvidia would still be able to get chips into full-size laptops, but ultra slims and macbooks are an entirely different category of smaller, slimmer machines. If apple can exclude discrete, they will.
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Even if the HD5200 is going to be a beast, as you said above ^ It still won't compare to future APU releases.

Well even if the future APU releases might out perform the current Intel HD graphics, i bet the Intel future releases will then out perform the future APU releases that u refer to....... your turn
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I should clarify, I don't believe integrated graphics will ever REPLACE dedicated.

APU-s are beyond the classic IGD.

When the manufacturing gets better and AMD will finalize the GPU+CPU Fusion you wont need the dedicated for gaming ,you will just simply replace the APU to get more power every six-twelve months.
The PC overall will be smaller ,cheaper and more efficient.

Dedicated will still exist in the next years ,but the demand for it will be small.
Mainstream will get APU-s if the GDDR 5 gets on the mobos.

If Nvidia wants to stay up it needs to make an APU and push it to PC-s ,otherwise they will be like Matrox a niche vendor.
I still dream to an Nvidia + Via fusion.
   
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Well even if the future APU releases might out perform the current Intel HD graphics, i bet the Intel future releases will then out perform the future APU releases that u refer to....... your turn

What's next on Intel's IGP roadmap? Kaveri will be using GCN, which is (IIRC) ~20-30% faster per SP than Richland's VLIW4; plus, thanks to the die-shrink, it wouldn't be surprising if AMD fit 512 SPs into the A10, an increase of ~33%, and Kaveri is rumored to also support GDDR5 RAM. Plus, you'll get HSA with Kaveri.
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