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What are the prices for Intel APU's with Iris and Iris Pro GPU's?

I can't imagine how much it would cost to produce them...

Still why compare a 325-375 Intel APU with a 130-150$ AMD APU? Anyway when Kaveri gets out and top of the line has 6 Steamroller cores that could possibly be at the same level as Sandy or close to Ivy Bridge and a GCN based GPU at the level of Radeon HD 7750 or even 7790 with hUMA. I can't imagine best possible budget system.

I think it's safe to assume that Vampirr is an AMD fanboy. tongue.gif
     
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keep in mind even if this is true it's still a benchmark, where it really matters is in actual use, such as games.
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Look at the GPU scores people. The 8670D is 56% faster. And this is 3DMark we're talking about, which is heavily biased towards Intel's graphics.
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What's next on Intel's IGP roadmap? Kaveri will be using GCN, which is (IIRC) ~20-30% faster per SP than Richland's VLIW4; plus, thanks to the die-shrink, it wouldn't be surprising if AMD fit 512 SPs into the A10, an increase of ~33%, and Kaveri is rumored to also support GDDR5 RAM. Plus, you'll get HSA with Kaveri.

HSA doesn't exactly do anything for graphics performance though, it's about boosting CPU performance in certain types of tasks when the iGPU isn't in use.
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HSA doesn't exactly do anything for graphics performance though, it's about boosting CPU performance in certain types of tasks when the iGPU isn't in use.

Yeah, I was just stating an additional benefit of AMD's APUs. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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keep in mind even if this is true it's still a benchmark, where it really matters is in actual use, such as games.

Blasphemy! Benchmarks are the only thing that matters! After all, Netburst was a great architecture since it was specifically engineered to achieve the only main thing that mattered in its time, GHz.

(Please clock the Netburst to 4+ GHz to make it competitive against against AMD's offering and the later Core 2 models. Preferably to 5+ GHz. Thermoelectric cooling system is not included in the retail box and must be purchased separately)


/sarcasm
Edited by A Bad Day - 5/13/13 at 4:24pm
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And how much time does AMD and Nvidia spend on making GPU faster in games compare to Intel? A lot more. That alone is main reason to go AMD over Intel GPUs. Intel GPUs are still to get by.
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And how much time does AMD and Nvidia spend on making GPU faster in games compare to Intel? A lot more. That alone is main reason to go AMD over Intel GPUs. Intel GPUs are still to get by.

pretty much this.
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Yeah,. considering you guys are all extrapolating this from 3dmark, I'm going to have to pass.



3dmark11 is completely biased towards HD4600. Notice how it beats GT 630 in 3dmark11, and then proceeds to run half as fast as GT 630 in games? Intel is trolling everyone in this thread that thinks HD4600 is good. As far as real games go it's going to be half of a GT 630 about. Whatever Intel did for 3dmark11 drivers or whatever kind of dirty tricks they're using are working very well.

Intel is still going to get destroyed by APUs and even low end Nvidia. This is just straight up marketing BS and considering we already have numbers of HD4600 in games, as opposed to 3dmark11, I find it odd that this is news worth circle jerking over.

This. Why people still compare 3DMark results when they can use actual gaming results, I"ll never know...It often doesn't show the same results that you'll get in real life (Defeating the whole "It is repeatable, games generally aren't" argument) and this just proves it more.

People also need to remember that Intels drivers still aren't as good as AMDs or nVidia's, they're not bad but they're not close to AMD or nVidia yet.
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If 3DMark is indicative of anything, is gaming performance...

I'm not sure if you typoed, but the only thing 3DMark is indicative of is 3DMark performance. Just like how the only thing Skyrim is indicative of is Skyrim performance.
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We'll see once it's tested without ridiculous levels of AA. I mean half the game tests in the chinese leaks were with 8xAA at 1080p. Not really IGP level settings now are they. I'd rather trust a 720p 3dmark test than that, though neither is ideal.

The real question here is how well the higher end IGPs will perform though.

If the IGP can handle that at a steady, smooth frame-rate then I'll sure as hell run 8x AA. That said, they should have no AA, 720p results but also tell us what was the maximum settings they could run with fluid gameplay.
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Either way, it's a very big jump over intel's last gen offerings. AMD will and should be ahead of even the HD5200, but they are certainly making smaller gains. Not to mention that the cpu part is much better on the intel side. We'll just have to see where this goes for mobile devices. AMD's desktop APU situation is only going to get better from here, but mobile is up in the air.

The difference is Intel has a lot more to gain in GPU performance than AMD, it's much like how AMD looks like it's going to increase performance over it's last gen chips more than Intel 2 generations in a row. (BD > PD was ~10% average IPC increase without an OC loss, SB > IB was a 5-10% average IPC increase depending on who you ask with average OCs going down a bit, if Haswell and Steamroller rumours are true then..well, yeah.)
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It's only going to be in mobile devices and AIOs, however. It will be quite expensive as well, not usable (I don't think?) in HTPCs and Desktops. You'd have to buy it soldered to a motherboard.

That's not so bad for a HTPC, and is half the point of an AIO and barebones rigs, you buy the PC and then buy your own RAM, HDD and OS for it. Most likely we'll get these like we got Atoms, too.
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Assuming people that purchase a 4770k would use the HD4600 to game lolol.  Bring on the CPU heavy games.  let the GPU's handle the rest.

Yeahno. I'd sooner take an AMD APU in a laptop over an Intel APU if it wasn't for the power consumption difference, I won't ever really see the CPU performance difference (Plus, an APU generally over-takes an i3 in multi-threaded stuff which is what you'll be comparing them too...) but I'll notice the GPU performance difference sometimes.
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Look at the GPU scores people. The 8670D is 56% faster. And this is 3DMark we're talking about, which is heavily biased towards Intel's graphics.

Exactly. You'll notice the difference in performance easily if you're using the IGP, the difference between one of these and Intels competing APUs in CPU performance is no-where nearly as big, especially in real life...Most of the areas Intel beats AMD tend fall into one of two categories:
1) Niche use, not something you'd typically be doing. (Same with areas AMD is far ahead of Intel, actually)
2) Gaming. (Irrelevant here considering AMDs iGPU is faster, and if the Intel one had a dedicated GPU to be faster it'd use more power anyway...Plus the difference isn't worth writing home about unless you're running two HD7950s or something)

For most things that people typically do, especially on laptops that would be running the IGP and see benefits from that or HTPCs, you won't see the difference between a Core 2 Duo and a 4770k, let alone an A10-6700 and the competing i3s/i5s with HD4600 graphics.
    
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HD5200 is going to be a beast...

Actually not just the opposite, because this Haswell GPU+Intel Awesome Drivers should be compared with future Kaveri APU. wink.gif


- Trinity APU/Trinity APU 2.0 or Richland APU vs Intel Ivy Bridge CPU

- Kaveri APU vs Intel Haswell CPU

Edited by Asterox - 5/13/13 at 5:17pm
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