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I'm not impressed, they doubled the size of the IGP in order to double the performance and it still doesn't match trinity. Kaveri with GCN will destroy it.
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I'm not impressed, they doubled the size of the IGP in order to double the performance and it still doesn't match trinity. Kaveri with GCN will destroy it.

At least Intel has a chance of eventually catching AMD in iGPU performance. The same cannot be said for AMD catching up with Intel in CPU performance.
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At least Intel has a chance of eventually catching AMD in iGPU performance. The same cannot be said for AMD catching up with Intel in CPU performance.

Fx-8350 already matches 3770K in multithread benchmarks, plus being on the newer base architecture(FX traces back to Bulldozer while all Core processor traces back to Conroe) it could be easier for AMD to extract more performance with each iteration. If Intel doesn't leverage its advantage in Fab Tech into more cores it is only a matter time for AMD to surpass Intel mainstream CPU in performance.
Edited by sherlock - 5/13/13 at 7:40pm
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At least Intel has a chance of eventually catching AMD in iGPU performance. The same cannot be said for AMD catching up with Intel in CPU performance.

Sadly, I kinda agree with you. Maybe with HSA, hUMA, software and everything else, AMD won't have to beat them with brute force CPU power in the future.

I'm impressed with Intels' graphic capabilities going up. They are pretty decent to me when you consider how long they have been doing it.
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Being on the newer base architecture(FX traces back to Bulldozer while all Core processor traces back to Conroe) it could be easier for AMD to extract more performance with each iteration.

The same people who brought the world Bulldozer less than two years ago are going to be able to optimally extract CPU performance in the future? Really?
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If Intel doesn't leverage its advantage in die shrink into more cores it is only a matter time for AMD to surpass Intel in CPU performance.

Hasn't the entire "MOAR CORES" credo been totally discredited over the last two years?
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Whats the point in spending that kind of money for an APU setup zeal when you can just pickup an old video card for cheap and game a lot better at higher resolutions?

Most people cant do that and you have to find a card in the first place. What used GPU? a APU now is as fast or faster then HD 3870. If you add a dedicated GPU you will need a Better PSU and have to deal with it being old and failing, loud from the heat and take space.
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The same people who brought the world Bulldozer less than two years ago are going to be able to optimally extract CPU performance in the future? Really?

The Prescott Disaster didn't stop Intel from making quality CPUs, and Piledriver have been a sizeable improvement from Bulldozer. To write off AMD CPU division just because of Bulldozer is a bit extreme.
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The same people who brought the world Bulldozer less than two years ago are going to be able to optimally extract CPU performance in the future? Really?
Hasn't the entire "MOAR CORES" credo been totally discredited over the last two years?

Tom's Hardware dropped the Ivy Bridge Pentiums from their recommended budget CPU list, and replaced them with an old quad-core Athlon and Phenom II. They cited that many of the new games such as Crysis 3 and Far Cry 3 showed better performance on slower quad-cores than fast dual cores, unlike games such as Skyrim or SC2.

And I seriously doubt THW is generally biased towards AMD.

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Most people cant do that and you have to find a card in the first place. What used GPU? a APU now is as fast or faster then HD 3870. If you add a dedicated GPU you will need a Better PSU and have to deal with it being old and failing, loud from the heat and take space.

Disable thermal throttling on the GPU and write your own drivers because AMD no longer supports GPUs older than Radeon 5000s, and I'm fairly sure Nividia has a similar policy. And I do believe the 5000s may also lose driver support after the Radeon 9000s are introduced.

Problem solved, until the magic smoke comes out.
Edited by A Bad Day - 5/13/13 at 7:53pm
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The same people who brought the world Bulldozer less than two years ago are going to be able to optimally extract CPU performance in the future? Really?
Hasn't the entire "MOAR CORES" credo been totally discredited over the last two years?

While Intel does do new designs, AMD did a completely new design. In 2 years, they took a design that couldn't beat their own K10 and got it up and running. Granted, one expected it to preform better [initially] but apparently issues were known. So they released something kind of messy, really messy. However it's gotten real interesting in the latter revisions where they have turned it into something pretty slick. On top of that, they took an architecture and created a CPU/APU variant of the same thing. That's pretty impressive.

More cores, or as "dumb people" like to say "moar cores", is actually happening now. We've started to see limits, people don't want to WC everything and that's expensive. HSA should be pushed, not only for it's gpgpu aspects but it's threading too. The console race is only going to expand on that. When that comes down too it, if games start using more than 2 threads and up to 8, you might see the AMD arch actually get some nice focus. Not to mention, developers will have a nice handle on it software wise in a while.

So yeah, AMD aims to gain more in the upcoming years even if they can't pump out "faster" items. If they can simply keep the current edge and Intel doesn't change anything, you'll see smaller spec'd hardware do equally well with higher end hardware. It's started to show in real scenarios, HT doesn't truely handle full thread workloads like a single core.

Now, granted AMD doesn't have "full" cores either. If they keep refining the resources properly, at least each core will have proper resources instead of splitting them up per core. Granted, Intel might just do the AMD technique and pump out more cores per chip. Turn HT off and just pump out some beastly chips. When that happens, we'll see some real interesting pricing going on. Though the server market seems to favor Intel still but AMD isn't their threat in that ARM is.
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At least Intel has a chance of eventually catching AMD in iGPU performance. The same cannot be said for AMD catching up with Intel in CPU performance.

AMD is capable of delivering a competitive product. remember Intel after Prescott. or Nvidia after Geforce FX 5800. or AMD after HD 2900 XT. Bulldozer was a bad start just like HD 2900XT but can be improved to come out with a HD 4870 like product. You can speak what you want of existing products but you cannot say about the future products. Steamroller should be a good improvement with the major drawbacks addressed. single thread performance should get a significant improvement and multi thread scaling will be even better. There is only so much you can do with single thread performance. look at sandybridge - ivybridge - haswell for an idea. Haswell CPU is not looking like a major jump except for newer instruction sets.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130510233618_Web_Site_Publishes_Fully_Fledged_Intel_Core_i7_4770K_Haswell_Review.html

AMD's module design is the right approach and much better than Intel hyperthreading. Once single thread performance is improved which it will be in steamroller the module design is much better. in fact I expect Intel to eventually go for a module design after Broadwell. look at Intel Silvermont / Baytrail to get an idea.
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