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Yeah, you do. In bios my chip runs at ~38C with an okay heatsink. Max for the Phenoms is 62C and without constant airflow/liquid it will be performing several calculations without having any form of cooling, not even passive. I am not positive but I am fairly certain it hit 62C+ without a heatsink.

It definitely can hit 62C+ without a heatsink. My Phenom II x3 2.6 Ghz (forgot the model and am too lazy to look it up) requires a tremendous amount of airflow to stay below 40 C, much more than my 3770k (stock) ironically. Tux007, you are lucky if you didn't permanently damage the chip from the heat. As for the Crosshair, most likely the testing without a heatsink damaged it.
As for the Sabertooth, if you are still within warranty, contact Asus and see what they can do. Most likely, they will only offer to repair (and only if that doesn't work they will replace it) and not just give you a refund. I know that a lot of people had issues with Asus customer care but when my GPU fan died, sure it took long but I didn't encounter any trouble working with them.
post #12 of 19
Found the video I was looking for. AMD Duron @ 3.8GHz explodes when the cooler is removed, left a hole in the motherboard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssL1DA_K0sI

Here, some of these PC's froze almost immediately when their coolers were removed while running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSdcMqWM1DE

If you are EXTREMELY lucky, the CPU instantly throttled and saved itself. But not likely.
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post #13 of 19
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Found the video I was looking for. AMD Duron explodes when the cooler is removed, left a hole in the motherboard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssL1DA_K0sI

Here, some of these PC's froze almost immediately when their coolers were removed while running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSdcMqWM1DE

If you are EXTREMELY lucky, the CPU instantly throttled and saved itself. But not likely.


I know that vid^^ ..that are older platforms and they were in a load state.. so you cannot
compare this directly..

it´s not the same.. i did try to boot without it knowing what risk i´m gonna take.. just to
see the POST screen and then turn it quickly off!
BUT this was with a sandy bridge.. AMD or other chips may behave differently!

So you are wrong and right at the same time biggrin.gif

It may be that the OP left it a little bit longer and it took some dmg.
The thing is.. i wouldn´t recommend this to anyone to do^^

@OP
you need to find out which part does not work now.
what cpu do you have ?
Edited by smex - 5/16/13 at 2:11am
post #14 of 19
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no i didn't . should i?

YES, even just turning the thing on it uses cpu, in fact the boot process is usually more cpu intensive than just idle in OS
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nah you don't need the heatsink just to test it dude. i just wanted to see if it would post....and it didn't so...

FACE PALM. find new hobby

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YES, even just turning the thing on it uses cpu, in fact the boot process is usually more cpu intensive than just idle in OS
FACE PALM. find new hobby


well.. yes and no..
up to a particular point, the chip is in a fail-safe stadium.. when the post is complete and it starts loading windows
and drivers, then it is more intenisve than idling in windows. i guess this is what you meant.

I dont want to say that it is good to boot without the heatsink,., but only theoretical illuminate what is happening there.
Further.. i feel the same about facepalming, but this won´t help him much. It would be enough, for the learning effect,
if he toasted his CPU.. theres no bigger punishment.. so f-palming doesnt change anything but let him feel even
worse then he feels now. :/





edit:
although, it´s a very classic and nice palm you´ve chosen there biggrin.gif
Edited by smex - 5/16/13 at 3:18am
post #16 of 19
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Found the video I was looking for. AMD Duron @ 3.8GHz explodes when the cooler is removed, left a hole in the motherboard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssL1DA_K0sI

Here, some of these PC's froze almost immediately when their coolers were removed while running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSdcMqWM1DE

If you are EXTREMELY lucky, the CPU instantly throttled and saved itself. But not likely.

WOAH, that first vid that was a PERFECT APEX (advanced precision entry explosive) it was like a text book perfectly shaped whole WOW, I wonder what he was thinking though unless they planned on doing that lol.( am guessing they were the heat-sink wasn't even latched lol)

BUT not sure that was real I am sure that was set up / faked somehow, probably a firecracker (read the comments)

the second video is probably more like it, of course they may not have been overclocked but I doubt it would EXPLODE lol.



when turning on the computer without a heat-sink it will not post 99.99999% if it does it wont for long and 99% result in failure however if it didn't post you may be able to just get away with placing the heat-sink / cooler back on and MAYBE be ok. I wouldn't test it, I would replace cooler and see what happens. then if nothing you screwed up buddy
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Personal note: always have heatsink on. I got the 1100t for free. Going with the 4770k when it comes out biggrin.gif
post #18 of 19
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Personal note: always have heatsink on. I got the 1100t for free. Going with the 4770k when it comes out biggrin.gif

Better late than never biggrin.gif
post #19 of 19
Lessons learned, I guess.

The heat spreader on these CPUs has about 1-2% of the surface area of a proper heat sink (without a fan) and will come to temperature 50-100x faster as a result. The integrated thermal protection is designed assuming a heat sink fan failed, not that some, um, technologically inept operator is running the CPU with no heat sink at all. Don't count on that thermal runaway protection to act quickly enough to prevent damage. Thermal damage can and does occur in milliseconds when it comes to semiconductors with billions of transistors in such a small space.

Too bad we didn't get another atomic CPU meltdown video with this one. skull.gif

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