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no nvidia is not superior not when it comes to 670/680 vs 7970/7970ghz, and this comes from owner of 660ftw.

nvidia is superior in much lower power consumption but price wise if you take titan out of equasion, nvidia is overpriced.
i like titan, i have money to buy a lot titans, might actually buy it but the price is gouging. if you think off titan, their products are equal. will 7970ghz be slower than 770? yes but not by much. 780 well we shall see, but pricetag they will put on it, will be bad for consumers

maybe EU should really start smacking nvidia a little, they cant on amd since amd is not that fit, but this is clear duopoly where nvidia is topdog and amd the idiot brother. they are using same gen for nearly 2 years instead of 1 year while increasing prices. if this is not something EU commision should go after i dont know what they should go after

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I don't disagree with this logic. But, all we can do is to have an opinion, the real change in pricing will only occur when AMD counters with something effective that does not get blown out of the water by Nvpers of the world. I only mean this half jokingly, as there must be something to the cross fire problem, or why all this fuss. Or, may be its not as bad as some say but unfortunately perception is reality when it comes to marketing. redface.gif
Our opinion matters though. If reviewers are like "Hey this thing is too expensive for what you get" and people agree with them Nvidia will need to rethink their pricing. It's unfortunate AMD is suffering from their CFX issues because it looks like Nvidia is riding that PR all the way to the bank. CFX can be easily dismissed as an alternative now that reviewers (who mysteriously had no issues with it last year) have demonized it.
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It's unfortunate AMD is suffering from their CFX issues because it looks like Nvidia is riding that PR all the way to the bank. CFX can be easily dismissed as an alternative now that reviewers (who mysteriously had no issues with it last year) have demonized it.

Is it not more likely that many reviewers noticed said CFX problems but didn't put an emphasis on them due to the lack of objective, data-driven tools available to quantify the issues at the time? Most reviewers would have been understandably hesitant to put themselves in the cross-hairs of Radeon owners without having hard proof to back their assertions.

Even now it's notable how much unjustified grief some of AMD's more fervent fanboys have given PCPer and Tech Report for their reporting recently, despite having actual objective proof of CFX's shortfalls...
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Just sell me a 2x GTX 7*0 cards at under $600 AUD each and I am in.
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Is it not more likely that many reviewers noticed said CFX problems but didn't put an emphasis on them due to the lack of objective, data-driven tools available to quantify the issues at the time? Most reviewers would have been understandably hesitant to put themselves in the cross-hairs of Radeon owners without having hard proof to back their assertions.

Even now it's notable how much unjustified grief some of AMD's more fervent fanboys have given PCPer and Tech Report for their reporting recently, despite having actual objective proof of CFX's shortfalls...
yea... sure... rolleyes.gif

Whats the point of even reading their reviews if they are afraid to tell the end user what they really feel? Where is their credibility?
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no nvidia is not superior not when it comes to 670/680 vs 7970/7970ghz, and this comes from owner of 660ftw. (not sure how this makes your opinion any more credible)

nvidia is superior in much lower power consumption but price wise if you take titan out of equasion, nvidia is overpriced.
i like titan, i have money to buy a lot titans, might actually buy it but the price is gouging. if you think off titan, their products are equal. will 7970ghz be slower than 770? yes but not by much. 780 well we shall see, but pricetag they will put on it, will be bad for consumers

maybe EU should really start smacking nvidia a little, they cant on amd since amd is not that fit, but this is clear duopoly where nvidia is topdog and amd the idiot brother. they are using same gen for nearly 2 years instead of 1 year while increasing prices. if this is not something EU commision should go after i dont know what they should go after

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look at the metro benchmarks results.  Nvidia on top of their drivers.  People with SLI will enjoy day one support and better multi-GPU performance. That comes with the cost. 

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http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/amd_volcanic_islands_coming_late_2013.html

20nm all over the place. Do you have any more recent leaks?

And "all over the place" is using that same image from Chip Hell as their source.
Volcanic Islands (Click to show)
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It's your money these guys want, they will bend over backwards to get it. You are not at their mercy and they aren't doing you a favor by selling these things. Something people here seem to forget. By your logic why don't they just charge $800 for the thing? You know... since AMD don't have an answer to it?

I hate sounding so redundant in these threads but Nvidia don't make it easy to have a different opinion on their products with their pricing...

I hate sounding so redundant that when AMD brings competition to the table, these prices will stabilize.

AMD stepped away from their yearly release cycle, and announced no new cards 'till the end of the year.



Now, picture this, imagine if at the beginning of 2012 when the 79xx series released, NVIDIA announced the 580 stable through 2012, do you really think the 7970 would've came down from its $550 launch price tag?

It only came down in price AFTER the 680 released @ $499. When AMD brings out new competing cards at reasonable prices, these prices will stabilize again.
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I don't disagree with this logic. But, all we can do is to have an opinion, the real change in pricing will only occur when AMD counters with something effective that does not get blown out of the water by Nvpers of the world. I only mean this half jokingly, as there must be something to the cross fire problem, or why all this fuss. Or, may be its not as bad as some say but unfortunately perception is reality when it comes to marketing. redface.gif

Exactly. If NVIDIA had the issue, AMD would be making a big deal about it as well.
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Our opinion matters though. If reviewers are like "Hey this thing is too expensive for what you get" and people agree with them Nvidia will need to rethink their pricing. It's unfortunate AMD is suffering from their CFX issues because it looks like Nvidia is riding that PR all the way to the bank. CFX can be easily dismissed as an alternative now that reviewers (who mysteriously had no issues with it last year) have demonized it.
tongue.gif

It's been proven many times that this issue has been known for years, only until recently have they had the proper tools to "prove" what they are seeing.
http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking/5
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look at the metro benchmarks results.  Nvidia on top of their drivers.  People with SLI will enjoy day one support and better multi-GPU performance. That comes with the cost. 
Funny thing to say considering what people in the green team were preaching when Tomb Raider launched rolleyes.gif
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And "all over the place" is using that same image from Chip Hell as their source.
Volcanic Islands (Click to show)
I hate sounding so redundant that when AMD brings competition to the table, these prices will stabilize.

AMD stepped away from their yearly release cycle, and announced no new cards 'till the end of the year.



Now, picture this, imagine if at the beginning of 2012 when the 79xx series released, NVIDIA announced the 580 stable through 2012, do you really think the 7970 would've came down from its $550 launch price tag?

It only came down in price AFTER the 680 released @ $499. When AMD brings out new competing cards at reasonable prices, these prices will stabilize again.
Exactly. If NVIDIA had the issue, AMD would be making a big deal about it as well.
It's been proven many times that this issue has been known for years, only until recently have they had the proper tools to "prove" what they are seeing.
http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking/5
I understand competition is important, but just because it isn't there it shouldn't give them the right to run wild with the pricing but most of all people shouldn't be okay with it. I understand that people prefer a certain brand over another but in reality it all they want is what's in your wallet. You gotta let them know how much is okay and how much is not when they get greedy.

and yet the gold awards and high rating kept rolling in and only a very small amount of people actually complained about it.
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I for one welcome our new Nvidia overlords
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Funny thing to say considering what people in the green team were preaching when Tomb Raider launched rolleyes.gif

That is a funny thing to say, gotta give AMD time to optimize and release their drivers.
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