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The worst part of this all is that AMD and Intel are both pushing for better iGPUs in their mobile devices. Since those devices are x86, they can run games natively.

Nvidia has no x86 license. Their option is to stream content from one of AMD or Intel's CPUs to one of theirs. It really, really highlights Nvidia's massive disadvantage by not having an x86 license. Part of me wants to see what Nvidia would look like if they bought AMD instead of AMD buying ATI, but I have a feeling I'd be paying $400 for FX 8350 if that were the case.

Regardless the best Nvidia can do is 100 feet away from a PC streaming on a $350 device while AMD and Intel are reaching for x86 mobile devices that can game. Even Temash in V5 Acer could game better than shield, and it costs a little over $100 more.

However I have no doubt this will end up like Tegra zone if there's enough demand for it, where Nvidia runs around going "OUR PRODUCT IS THE ONLY ONE POWERFUL ENOUGH FOR THIS!" and then hackers get it running on other hardware and it runs better.
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The worst part of this all is that AMD and Intel are both pushing for better iGPUs in their mobile devices. Since those devices are x86, they can run games natively.

Nvidia has no x86 license. Their option is to stream content from one of AMD or Intel's CPUs to one of theirs. It really, really highlights Nvidia's massive disadvantage by not having an x86 license. Part of me wants to see what Nvidia would look like if they bought AMD instead of AMD buying ATI, but I have a feeling I'd be paying $400 for FX 8350 if that were the case.

Regardless the best Nvidia can do is 100 feet away from a PC streaming on a $350 device while AMD and Intel are reaching for x86 mobile devices that can game. Even Temash in V5 Acer could game better than shield, and it costs a little over $100 more.

However I have no doubt this will end up like Tegra zone if there's enough demand for it, where Nvidia runs around going "OUR PRODUCT IS THE ONLY ONE POWERFUL ENOUGH FOR THIS!" and then hackers get it running on other hardware and it runs better.

 

I wouldn't get your hopes up. 

 

 

 

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The Darkside hate is strong here. I posted from the perspective of Nvidia the company, not Nvidia the niche gfx card maker who is supposed to cater forever just to us and only us for discreet Gfx. I'm glad they are branching out. They need to do something with all the $ they got from us.

Others are extremely focused on this specific product and its "certainty for absolute failure". redface.gif I'm not. It's exactly what it is, their first direct self named foray into the gaming machine world.

To the Doomsayers, how many times had Sony failed on a product or two before they got it right? Yeah... and Microsoft, GE, and countless others. There's an endless list. Most don't get a home run the first time at bat. You need a couple strikeouts and experience.... Calm down.... you know who you are biggrin.gif

I'm focused on, and questioning what is Nvidia's longer term goals with Gaming / Consoles etc...

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I/OS doesn't run x86 and they made billions. Again I'm taking the corporate view as that's what I'm most familiar with. Companies do look at the long view in their decisions as well as shorter term deliverables. I don't believe Nvidia is planning for this to be some one time shot initiative with a "it will always be just as-is mentality." I choose to believe they are smarter than the avg bear and will have a roadmap...whoah what's that... this is all taken with a grain, as it's new from them, if it doesnt work out, ok, no one is going to die.

Some seem to rant like it's a personal insult. "How Dare Nvidia do this".
Edited by Ghoxt - 5/15/13 at 11:17am
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While it is a gimmick, the idea behind is to cater to a couch gamers by delivering PC gaming to their living rooms.

5 inch screen is not the only display option, it can stream to any modern TV.
While it is cool tech but it still dosent make sense. You buy the gaming PC hardware just to turn around and buy more hardware to use it in your living room. I would consider that a waste of money. Now if one of these was free with the purchase of a kelper or 50 dollars with a kelper it would be worth it. To spread their name and get the product out there, they will need to sell these at a loss like everybody else does at 1st to get market share up.
Edited by dir_d - 5/15/13 at 11:38am
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While it is cool tech but it still dosent make sense. You buy the gaming PC hardware just to turn around and buy more hardware to use it in your living room. I would consider that a waste of money. Now if one of these was free with the purchase of a kelper or 50 dollars with a kelper it would be worth it. To spread their name and get the product out there, they will need to sell these at a loss like everybody else does at 1st to get market share up.

 

Maybe I'm just in the minority, but I actually just bought a 1440p maybe 2 weeks ago?  My computer isn't even plugged in to it.  In fact, it's not plugged into any monitor.  For the most part, I RDP to my desktop through my tablet or laptop and use it's horsepower then.  I can't play my games through RDP though.  I can watch 1080p videos just fine.  No real noticeable lag...nothing intrusive at least  Would love to sit back and enjoy a game on the couch every now and then. 

 

(why I would RDP?)

Battery life last a LONG time on a tablet/laptop when all it's doing is RDP'ing.  All the brute force work is being done on the computer in the background.  I love it. Where ever I go in my house, I can always just RDP to my PC and have 4.5ghz worth of power at my hands.

 

Being tied down to an office chair is the worst case scenario for me, I'm in an office chair all day at work as it is....

 

 

EDIT: Doesn't mean I want a handheld though....Would rather use the hardware we already have. (integrate the streaming in laptops/tablets/TV's)  This would be like Netflix coming out and saying you had to buy their proprietary tablet to watch their movies lol


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The Shield is bad for Nividia. It's best for them to just focus on making video cards if this Shield is the only thing they can come up. If this is their answer to the Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft not using their graphic chips on the next gen consoles then it's an epic failure.
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The Shield is bad for Nividia. It's best for them to just focus on making video cards if this Shield is the only thing they can come up.

 

 

The whole handheld concept itself is dumb, however, I'm still interested in what that Tegra 4 can do :)  Better come out in products fast before competition blows it away again...which is even better for us

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EDIT: Doesn't mean I want a handheld though....Would rather use the hardware we already have. (integrate the streaming in laptops/tablets/TV's)  This would be like Netflix coming out and saying you had to buy their proprietary tablet to watch their movies lol

Actually agreed here. This would actually be pretty cool if it were available in a 7 or 10 inch tablet, I definitely am not a fan of the current implementation, however. Maybe they can add this to Tegra 4 tablets as a value added feature? I could see this being great in existing T4 tablets. I don't think i'd buy a dedicated handheld for it, though. It would be great as a value add to T4 tablets.
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Actually agreed here. This would actually be pretty cool if it were available in a 7 or 10 inch tablet, I definitely am not a fan of the current implementation, however. Maybe they can add this to Tegra 4 tablets as a value added feature? I could see this being great in existing T4 tablets. I don't think i'd buy a dedicated handheld for it, though. It would be great as a value add to T4 tablets.

 

 

We agree on something!  drunken.gif

 

haha actually now that you mention it, isn't it just the T4 and the keplar GPU enabling all of this?  So would that mean that anybody with a keplar card and a device running on T4 could possibly have this functionality?  Would be a nice +1 that Nvidia would have over competition in one aspect (for the mobile sector)

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If Nvidia can make the Shield stream on WAN from PC via Wi-Fi & use the tablet as optional game screen then it has potential. But lag issues cannot be ruled out if you have a network that doesn't provide enough bandwith for flawless streaming. This is probably why Sony instead of going on this route with PS4 opted to go on the Cloud.
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