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- Can Metro UI be completely disabled* for Windows to boot straight into a normal desktop environment?** *No, **yes, after clicking on "desktop" or pressing the Windows key straight after booting a couple of times, Windows will automatically boot straight to desktop. It did for me without any "hacking" or third party software.
- Is the Start button AND menu still there without the usage of 3rd party software? No.

Those are his concerns and for him (as well as many of the rest of us) that is a deal breaker. Until that changes, W7 is a great OS and W8 does not offer enough practical improvements to compensate for the general consumer's dislike for the forced new UI.

Going from this



To this



was a big concern, but people eventually switched. There is nothing wrong with Windows 8 other than looks. Personally I don't think it's worth upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 8 (unless you can get a copy for free legally) but just because it looks slightly different doesn't mean it's worse. In some ways Windows 8 is better (it's slightly quicker doing some tasks, but that's just about it and why I don't think it's worth upgrading from 7)
    
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Having used Windows 8 on a normal laptop and a touch based laptop I find that the whole Metro start menu is a waste of time. Even with a touch screen its not very useful or very intuitive for me. Oh its not from lack of use either, I own a copy of Windows 8 and between both laptops it has been installed it I have used it everyday off and on for over a month. Personally I like Windows 8 EXCEPT the Metro start menu. How hard would it have been to have the installer ask you if you have a touch screen and if you want to use Metro or the normal start menu. Give the consumer a choice in the matter. I also would have to say the I agree with the sentiment that Metro is being forced on us, go try and buy a new PC without Windows 8 on it. They average consumer has no choice....
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Yet everyone complains when they have to take a measly two seconds at the most to click the Desktop tile and not have to do it again until the next boot.

It's funny and sad at the same time.
I mostly find it odd that people want to go to the desktop first thing anyway, but then the first thing I tend to do after my computer boots (and I log in) is to launch a program, usually Chrome...

So I just click chrome from the start screen and off I go. Zero extra clicks to be on the desktop with chrome open.
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was a big concern, but people eventually switched. There is nothing wrong with Windows 8 other than looks. Personally I don't think it's worth upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 8 (unless you can get a copy for free legally) but just because it looks slightly different doesn't mean it's worse. In some ways Windows 8 is better (it's slightly quicker doing some tasks, but that's just about it and why I don't think it's worth upgrading from 7)

I am not saying one is better than the other. I am saying that it should be a choice, an option. I am willing to mess with Metro on my own time, but until then, I want to continue using the old UI. I do not want my daily computer usage to be affected with the involuntary interruptions of adjusting. I use my computer for relaxation. Trying to figure out where X is now or where Y has been hidden, it's not very high on my fun list and in time, when I actually feel like it, I can adjust more to the new UI at my choice. I am not suggesting that they take it out. I am merely desiring it to be an option that I can toggle.
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I mostly find it odd that people want to go to the desktop first thing anyway, but then the first thing I tend to do after my computer boots (and I log in) is to launch a program, usually Chrome...

So I just click chrome from the start screen and off I go. Zero extra clicks to be on the desktop with chrome open.

Funny, the first thing I do is launch Firefox, Outlook and Steam (I don't have Steam to start automatically because it's installed on the HDD instead of the SSD - installed before the option became available to have Steam on the SSD and the games on the HDD, and I prefer to have some more control over the boot process this way by deciding each time if I want to start it or not). Now try to do that from the Start screen without having to go back and forth. Or course, you can click on the first one from the Start screen and then on the other two from the taskbar, but why have to go through two different desktops, with a screen transition in-between and having to move the mouse more in order to go from clicking on the browser tile and then moving the mouse to the taskbar after the transition in order to multitask ?

I don't even have a fundamental problem with a fullscreen Start menu per se, it's the fact that the taskbar is not visible within it (flashing program icons requiring your attention and the ability to switch between programs fast while browsing live tiles / program tiles) and the fact that the Start screen doesn't have nearly the same functionality and practicality of the Start menu.

This simple thing, that you have to alternate between what is essentially two desktops, with no UI continuum (the presence of the taskbar, for example) disrupts the experience leading many to say that this is essentially two UIs / or even OSes to a certain point badly glued together.
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Funny, the first thing I do is launch Firefox, Outlook and Steam. Now try to do that from the Start screen without having to go back and forth. Or course, you can click on the first one from the Start screen and then on the other two from the taskbar, but why have to go through two different desktops, with a screen transition in-between and having to move the mouse more in order to go from clicking on the browser tile and then moving the mouse to the taskbar after the transition in order to multitask ?

I don't even have a fundamental problem with a fullscreen Start menu per se, it's the fact that the taskbar is not visible within it (flashing program icons requiring your attention and the ability to switch between programs fast while browsing live tiles / program tiles) and the fact that the Start screen doesn't have nearly the same functionality and practicality of the Start menu.

This simple thing, that you have to alternate between what is essentially two desktops, with no UI continuum (the presence of the taskbar, for example) disrupts the experience leading many to say that this is essentially two UIs / or even OSes to a certain point badly glued together.

doh.gif

They didn't get rid of desktop icons.

1. Launch firefox/steam/whatever in the Start Screen.
2. Use desktop icons after you launched that program.
3. ?
4. Profit.
    
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Unless MS does a full 180 on forcing Metro down the throats of desktop users, there will still be plenty of room to complain.

I don't know. I was thinking the same until I started playing with rainmeter the last couple days and quite honestly I have no use for the start menu anymore. In some ways I'm wishing I had windows 8 because it would be a bit quicker to find things than looking through folder after folder. Big tiles being easier to see. I have almost everything I need on the screen right now, and have no use for the start menu anymore. I will definitely be going to windows 8 when I build my new machine, assuming rainmeter is here to stay.

Coming from someone who was vehemently against windows 8 previously. Rainmeter has changed my whole viewpoint on the necessity of the start menu.
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People say Windows 8 isn't efficient, productive or intuitive. One word: Launchy. I've been using this since XP. Hotkey, type, open. You want to talk about efficiency...there it is.
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Funny, the first thing I do is launch Firefox, Outlook and Steam. Now try to do that from the Start screen without having to go back and forth. Or course, you can click on the first one from the Start screen and then on the other two from the taskbar, but why have to go through two different desktops, with a screen transition in-between and having to move the mouse more in order to go from clicking on the browser tile and then moving the mouse to the taskbar after the transition in order to multitask ?

I don't even have a fundamental problem with a fullscreen Start menu per se, it's the fact that the taskbar is not visible within it (flashing program icons requiring your attention and the ability to switch between programs fast while browsing live tiles / program tiles) and the fact that the Start screen doesn't have nearly the same functionality and practicality of the Start menu.

This simple thing, that you have to alternate between what is essentially two desktops, with no UI continuum (the presence of the taskbar, for example) disrupts the experience leading many to say that this is essentially two UIs / or even OSes to a certain point badly glued together.

doh.gif

They didn't get rid of desktop icons.

1. Launch firefox/steam/whatever in the Start Screen.
2. Use desktop icons after you launched that program.
3. ?
4. Profit.


Read my post again. You clearly didn't understand what I wrote.
 
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doh.gif

They didn't get rid of desktop icons.

1. Launch firefox/steam/whatever in the Start Screen.
2. Use desktop icons after you launched that program.
3. ?
4. Profit.

Don't waste your energy trying to debate with him. He's under the impression that the desktop is a metro app in Windows 8. You'll just end up pulling out your hair.


Stop spreading falsehoods! That is NOT what I said in the other thread.
 
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