Originally Posted by Raven Dizzle
Metro isn't forced. You have Windows 7 support until 2020, and it's basically the same, but with what you want. You're not forced to use anything. To be honest, if your biggest gripe is "I have to click desktop, hit enter or hit space to get to the desktop at boot" than you should sort your priorities, and see if a life in technology is really for you. Aside from that, I make apps run at start up (steam big picture mode) on my Win 8 HTPC. Works fine.
"You have to change the way you use your PC substantially for zero benefit! Stop complaining, jeez!"
Windows 7 may be supported until 2020, but am I going to be able to buy a laptop new with Windows 7 in 2015? Let alone 2020...Not everyone knows how to install it, and I don't feel like having to call up Microsoft to activate my copy of 7 whenever I reinstall because I'm out of uses on my key either.
Originally Posted by ImmortalKenny
This logic is kind of silly on an overclocking forum.
People here will spend hours upon hours just trying to squeeze out the last couple hertz out of their hardware to gain absolutely nothing. Yet everyone complains when they have to take a measly two seconds at the most to click the Desktop tile and not have to do it again until the next boot.
It's funny and sad at the same time.
How is that silly though? If I'm spending hours having fun trying to gain a few ms difference (You know, because OCing is a hobby and all...I don't think many people count "Using Windows" as a hobby) then I sure as hell am going to care about the larger difference in startup times between Metro starting and me getting to the Desktop. I have 16GB of RAM, do I really need to slim down my 7 or 8 installation? Hell no. Do I? Yes, because I find it interesting to learn about the internals of the OS, might see a small benefit and have the time free to do it.
It also means that my PC won't be fully booted with the programs I want running actually running, it still requires user intervention meaning that I can't do what I like to without 3rd party programs. (I have it set so my typical programs such as Chrome, foobar2k, Thunderbird, etc start up on launch, I start my PC then go get a coffee or something while I wait, a habit I picked up when that type of setup would take a few minutes to fully load and be ready to go)
Originally Posted by ejb222
Then I suggest using W7 and leaving Windows 8 users and their threads alone. I don't go bashing Linux on a Linux forum for the heck of it. If you Windows 7 "works perfectly fine" then what are you upset about? Dont use 8. You're not missing anything, and you have nothing to complain about since you have everything you need in 7. But no...you come here to complain. So you are expecting something...so maybe there is a short coming to W7 that you hoped for in W8...maybe W7 isn't as perfect as you say it is? And know one is forced to used W8...just like no one is forcing you to use Linux. No one is forcing you to do anything. You really don't know what "forcing someone" really is.
Okay, I won't help my Mum install 7 when she gets a new laptop and tell you how she goes doing it herself...I mean she's not forced to or anything, she can always learn how to install an operating system and then go and pay an extra AU$99 for a copy of Home Premium OEM (If she can even get that, I'd wager she'd go to Officeworks and pay AU$278 for the full version) right?
It's either that or you limit your range of laptops by sticking to pre-installed 7, for a home user...For someone like us? No, we're not forced to.
Also, no-one was saying 7 is perfect...No OS is perfect due to the nature of how people use PCs (ie. Very differently) but 8 with Metro is a side-step at best for a number of people, it's a very small step forward for me now I've installed ClassicShell and if I hadn't gotten it for free/$15 (I was happy to pay $15 but never got charged, go figure) and hadn't had to reformat anyway it wouldn't have been worth my time.
Originally Posted by Cheezman
The failure in logic is that Windows has always been about third party applications
running to tailor the experience to the individual user. Yet, some how with Windows 8, it's now become unacceptable to recommend a third party application to someone so they can tailor Windows to their liking
The difference is those third party programs previously weren't required to replace basic things in Windows.
Originally Posted by Raven Dizzle
I already posted proof in the previous Win8 topic that the decline in sales started when Win8 was about to launch (Normal) and then continued after Win8 launched. (Not normal, but also happened with Vista)
Plus, the lack of logic in saying that Windows 8 only isn't selling well because desktop/laptop sales are dropping...Well, they may be (And I still think that 8 is a big reason for that) but correct me if I'm wrong, you can get Windows 8 on tablets too...Which are meant to be the reason that marketshare is being eaten up. Either way, Windows 8 isn't selling on its own merits; people don't really want convertibles and don't want it on laptops or desktops. This much is clear to those who look at it without bias.
Originally Posted by Crooksy
I hate this whole 'forcing metro down our throats' whining that I have read one or twice in this thread and more so in others. Nobody is forcing you to buy or run the OS.
I didn't like the look of Vista so I skipped it.
Compare the numbers of laptops that come with Windows 8 vs Windows 7 pre-installed, and do a survey on how many people would know how to install and buy an OEM copy of Windows 7. You're (at the very least) going to either have to buy a copy of 7 (AU$99 down the drain on top of the price of the laptop), pirate it or have an older copy you can use...Otherwise yes, you are forced.