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I'm honestly surprised the modern gaming PC hasn't rendered consoles irrelevant at this point. You can build a heck of a little machine that will fit under your TV for about the same price of a new-gen console. The point of the first two sentences is to point out that Sony and MS are always basically complaining about not making money for the first three years of a console's life. We have games like COD (love it or hate it) that are Billion dollar franchises. Let the superior machine do the computing and push out games that make money, no matter how bad they might be.

I think you missed the point why consoles were created in the first place. Back in the late 80s with computers like the Commodore 64 and the Amiga and consoles like the NES and Genesis, the whole point of the console was pretty much "pick up and play" and the "arcade at home". Modern consoles seem to have lost that focus (*cough*WiiU*cough*), and sure enough the most successful consoles in recent times were the ones that focused the most on this - see Wii vs PS360 and DS vs PSP.

In other words, the only time a gaming PC renders a console irrelevant is when said console is more like a PC and therefore is failing at being a console in the first place (mandatory installations on PS3? lolwut). This is the same reason the PS360 got an influx of western previously PC-exclusive devs - the overall focus and mantra of the PS360 was much more in-line with computer and PC gaming than with arcade and console gaming.

The end result? PS360 isn't much more than "junior PC gaming".

(note: this completely ignores the influx of Japanese PC-esque gameplay which is more complicated yet may be even MORE disastrous for consoles and is quite possibly single-handedly the major cause of Nintendo's downfall in the last three-ish years. To put it simply, Japanese devs were typically better than western devs in arcade gameplay but worse in computer gameplay. Put that worse computer gameplay on a platform that was never really meant for it and you pretty much end up with a sales disaster)
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I smell a over hyped ps4..I remember when the ps3 was highly talked about and people thought that was going to be the best system look how that turned out..Doesnt matter tho im sticking to pc gaming
And over hyped PS2.
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The article explained the hardware architecture, but it did not contrast it with the normal AMD architecture available on Windows PC's. I find this article difficult to use to learn anything about how Sony specialized the APU.
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Really? So you're saying you can get a PSU, Mobo, mid range GPU, 8 core CPU, 8gb Ram, 500gb-1tb HDD, Blu-Ray Drive, Case, Controller, Heatsinks, fans, 1 controller, and OS for less than ~$400? For the first few years, it must keep up with most modern gaming PCs as well in terms of fidelity. Methinks you will have a hard time doing so. Why would an average person put the time in to put that together assuming it is even possible.

Considering the margins that AMD and Sony will make off of the console (very little) what makes you think you can do better?

400USD? The PS3 came out at 599USD 7 years ago. Methinks a 599 or 699(or more) price tag is in the works regardless of what they say. For that price, yes, yes I can. I did not intend that post to derail anything going on with this thread. I was merely stating that they complain of their margins while single game franchises make billions. Make an addictive game that millions of people buy and you can forgo the cost of losing money on obsolete hardware. thumb.gif
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I think you missed the point why consoles were created in the first place. Back in the late 80s with computers like the Commodore 64 and the Amiga and consoles like the NES and Genesis, the whole point of the console was pretty much "pick up and play" and the "arcade at home". Modern consoles seem to have lost that focus (*cough*WiiU*cough*), and sure enough the most successful consoles in recent times were the ones that focused the most on this - see Wii vs PS360 and DS vs PSP.

In other words, the only time a gaming PC renders a console irrelevant is when said console is more like a PC and therefore is failing at being a console in the first place (mandatory installations on PS3? lolwut). This is the same reason the PS360 got an influx of western previously PC-exclusive devs - the overall focus and mantra of the PS360 was much more in-line with computer and PC gaming than with arcade and console gaming.

The end result? PS360 isn't much more than "junior PC gaming".

(note: this completely ignores the influx of Japanese PC-esque gameplay which is more complicated yet may be even MORE disastrous for consoles and is quite possibly single-handedly the major cause of Nintendo's downfall in the last three-ish years. To put it simply, Japanese devs were typically better than western devs in arcade gameplay but worse in computer gameplay. Put that worse computer gameplay on a platform that was never really meant for it and you pretty much end up with a sales disaster)

All great points my friend. Maybe its the friends I keep but I am continually seeing more and more "pick up and play" boxes under televisions with controllers enabled and Steam "Big Picture" fired up and ready to go. I completely see the need that the older consoles were filling but at what point do these consoles become enveloped in the space PCs occupy? There is a unique conundrum there...
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Maybe or maybe not... on a raw hardware perspective Steam-based stuff isn't really that different from the PS4 considering the PC hardware...but of course that's only one tiny part of the whole picture. I think it's too early to come to a conclusion.
Edited by Nintendo Maniac 64 - 5/15/13 at 6:38pm
 
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