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Don't get a i3, he is not gaming so the single thread advantage is pointless.

Get a A10 APU from AMD, beats the i3 in multithreaded tasks by a decent margin. Windows and web browsing are more optimized for multitasking, also you don't have to deal with crap intel graphics and the crummy drivers they force you to use.
New APU are coming out soon as well, wait for those.

Also get a SSD at least a 64gb for the OS. Hard Drives have such crummy seek times, no mater what you do your going to be waiting for things to load at a much slower rate.



My laptop with a 64gb ssd and c2d t9600 is just as fast as my desktop on pretty much any basic task. Web Browsing doesn't need much power, so recommending a 3770k or something like that is nothing but stupid.
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Don't get a i3, he is not gaming so the single thread advantage is pointless.

Get a A10 APU from AMD, beats the i3 in multithreaded tasks by a decent margin. Windows and web browsing are more optimized for multitasking, also you don't have to deal with crap intel graphics and the crummy drivers they force you to use.
New APU are coming out soon as well, wait for those.

Also get a SSD at least a 64gb for the OS. Hard Drives have such crummy seek times, no mater what you do your going to be waiting for things to load at a much slower rate.



My laptop with a 64gb ssd and c2d t9600 is just as fast as my desktop on pretty much any basic task. Web Browsing doesn't need much power, so recommending a 3770k or something like that is nothing but stupid.

I can get a 3570k for around $150 and that is only $30 more than the 3225 that was suggested before. So I might just go with that.

Anything special with these cases that I need to worry about? Also! I did not want to have to get a CPU cooler... but how loud is the stock cooler? I would like for things to be as silent as possible. Would an H50 be worth it?
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Using an existing computer, you can create a bootable Windows 7/8 drive. This way, you won't need a DVD drive to load 7/8 and can use an external DVD drive for installation/burning media.
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/15458-uefi-bootable-usb-flash-drive-create-windows.html

Yup! That's how I installed windows on my PC... can not fit a CD drive because of the rad up top. frown.gif

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Here's a really basic, but good-performing home-use SFF build:

CPU: $80
Intel Pentium G2120 Ivy Bridge - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116777

MB: $102
Gigabyte GA-H77N-Wifi - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128567

RAM: $24 w/ rebate
Patriot Viper 3 1x4GB DDR3-1600 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220775

SSD: $70
Crucial M4 64GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441

Case w/ PSU: $110
Thermaltake SD101 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133214

This brings you in under $400. I wouldn't really recommend spending less for a good SFF system, that your friend will obviously want to keep around for a few years. For an extra $100, you can also throw in another 4GB RAM and a conventional larger hard drive for storage. At the $750 target, you can upgrade to an i5-3570K and a Z77 board, and also a larger SSD in addition to the mentioned 8GB RAM and storage drive.
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Here's a really basic, but good-performing home-use SFF build:

CPU: $80
Intel Pentium G2120 Ivy Bridge - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116777

MB: $102
Gigabyte GA-H77N-Wifi - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128567

RAM: $24 w/ rebate
Patriot Viper 3 1x4GB DDR3-1600 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220775

SSD: $70
Crucial M4 64GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441

Case w/ PSU: $110
Thermaltake SD101 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133214

This brings you in under $400. I wouldn't really recommend spending less for a good SFF system, that your friend will obviously want to keep around for a few years. For an extra $100, you can also throw in another 4GB RAM and a conventional larger hard drive for storage. At the $750 target, you can upgrade to an i5-3570K and a Z77 board, and also a larger SSD in addition to the mentioned 8GB RAM and storage drive.

Not sure that 180 watts is enough for a system like that?
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Not sure that 180 watts is enough for a system like that?

As long as they don't try to use an AMD FX or APU, or overclock a K-series with a GPU, they should be fine. I picked one up and ran my OC'ed 3770k and board with 2 HD's and all my peripherals and it never lagged or had issues during testing.
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Originally Posted by AndySarsen View Post

Here's a really basic, but good-performing home-use SFF build:

CPU: $80
Intel Pentium G2120 Ivy Bridge - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116777

MB: $102
Gigabyte GA-H77N-Wifi - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128567

RAM: $24 w/ rebate
Patriot Viper 3 1x4GB DDR3-1600 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220775

SSD: $70
Crucial M4 64GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441

Case w/ PSU: $110
Thermaltake SD101 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133214

This brings you in under $400. I wouldn't really recommend spending less for a good SFF system, that your friend will obviously want to keep around for a few years. For an extra $100, you can also throw in another 4GB RAM and a conventional larger hard drive for storage. At the $750 target, you can upgrade to an i5-3570K and a Z77 board, and also a larger SSD in addition to the mentioned 8GB RAM and storage drive.

Op should be getting that 3570k
Otherwise a A10 APU is the way to go. Not only it is faster then the i3 3220, the GPU build in doesn't suck like the Intel one does. From offloading to simple access to advance graphic settings, AMD is the way to go. You can't even adjust for overscan with intel drivers, if you can't do it from the TV then your screwed. While that might not effect you, my moms laptop has that problem with her TV. Just one of the many reason why Intel graphics should be last resort. Still GPU offload from websites and whatnot will still perform better on the APU.

Even with the i5 your going to be shooting you self in the foot with that Intel crap. Web Browsers toss more workloads onto more CPU threads and off on the GPU every release, in 2-3years the AMD unit will still be going strong with new GPU drivers being released nearly every month to make sure you still have support for the things you want to do. With HTML5 on the rise It would really suck getting stuck with Intel graphics and getting poor performance. Though a simple weak dedicated GPU would fix that entire problem, and it's not like he needs the GPU now. But with the APU he would never need a dedicated GPU, so really it's i5+ or go AMD.
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Not really sure about your budget, but here's an attempt:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XqCf
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XqCf/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XqCf/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard ($101.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($60.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GT 620 1GB Video Card ($58.57 @ Newegg)
Case: Apex MI-008 Mini ITX Tower Case w/250W Power Supply ($57.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $709.50
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-15 10:19 EDT-0400)

If you want to go with a lower price you could start off by dropping the GPU to a 610/210 if you want, and then drop the ram to 4gb. If you want to go even lower get a cheaper CPU like an i3 with hd4000.

edit: *facepalm*
Edited by Black5Lion - 5/15/13 at 9:00am
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Not really sure about your budget, but here's an attempt:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XqCf
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XqCf/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XqCf/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard ($101.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($60.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GT 620 1GB Video Card ($58.57 @ Newegg)
Case: Apex MI-008 Mini ITX Tower Case w/250W Power Supply ($57.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $709.50
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-15 10:19 EDT-0400)

If you want to go with a lower price you could start off by dropping the GPU to a 610/210 if you want, and then drop the ram to 4gb. If you want to go even lower get a cheaper CPU like an i3 with hd4000.

That's actually pretty good. Not sure on the Xeon though... not sure if want. That does give me an idea about going with a dedicated GPU, since that would avoid the issues with the HD4000 if I went Intel.

Would all of the other cases fit a dedicated GPU? I'd be able to maybe do a 650 or a 75xx to get away from the integrated drivers.

What about my other question about the stock coolers... are they loud? Otherwise, would an H50 fit in one of those cases?
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That's actually pretty good. Not sure on the Xeon though... not sure if want. That does give me an idea about going with a dedicated GPU, since that would avoid the issues with the HD4000 if I went Intel.

Would all of the other cases fit a dedicated GPU? I'd be able to maybe do a 650 or a 75xx to get away from the integrated drivers.

What about my other question about the stock coolers... are they loud? Otherwise, would an H50 fit in one of those cases?

I never really tried the Xeon myself -yet- but from reading all over it seems to be sort of the same as a 3770 non-k clocked slightly lower with no iGPU which if you go with a dGPU, you won't need.

if you want to add a GTX 650 or other decent -mid/high end- GPUs you should look into cases with 2 expansion slots, but those are usually a bit on the bigger side. Still quite small thou.

I've been using the stock cooler on my lga775 processor -slightly smaller- for a few years before changing it. Not sure how much newer ones have changed, but mine wasn't so loud. It was audible but not disturbing.
I don't think any AIO coolers would fit in that case, actually anything other than stock/stock style(oem) coolers probably won't fit in that case.

ps; the thermaltake case above seems to have 2 expansion slots but they are half-height, which means you'd be very limited on the GPU choices.
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If he's not gaming or doing anything intensive, anything more than HD4000 is just a waste of money.

The stock fan is not noisy...but not quiet. A H50 should fit in the Node case I showed you somewhere. Honestly, I still recommend the APU, that's one less component to fail, 1 less fan, and less power then getting a dedicated graphics card.

I can show you some decent heatsinks that are quiet or even passive too.
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