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He wants to run it for 5 years, but you want to immediately invalidate his warranty? Temps on Ivy are only a problem when overvolting. Since you can't adjust voltage with that H77 board, delidding is a pointless risk.

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Test it when you get it for DOA, if its fine then the likeliness of it dying is really really low.
Even I lapped both my i7 and my old c2q shortly after testing it.

delidding is actually pretty easy if your doing the right method, using a razor blade is not the easy way. Using a block of wood and a hammer is, also better to heat the chip up a little with heatgun or hairdryer. Delid + lap the heat plate = win win for temps. Though really Ivy doesn't have a heat problem at stock speeds, but this is OCN after all rolleyes.gif

Also replacing the TIM on the GPU after testing is a good idea. I never trust stock TIM.
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He wants to run it for 5 years, but you want to immediately invalidate his warranty? Temps on Ivy are only a problem when overvolting. Since you can't adjust voltage with that H77 board, delidding is a pointless risk.

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Most sensible response. Even on stock cooling, the temps with the 3570 aren't going to be an issue. The poor thermal solution on Ivy only rears its ugly head when you're pushing the CPU at high voltage & frequency. If you're concerned about temps and noise, I would make the investment in a case with good airflow, silent intake and exhaust fans, and a good cooler. I hate to say it, because this is OCN, but watercooling is probably completely overkill for the stated purpose of the machine. Having said that, the newer AiO systems like the Corsair H60 (2013 version) are very good, and darned quiet, especially when you throw quiet fans like the SP120 Quiet in the mix.
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Most sensible response. Even on stock cooling, the temps with the 3570 aren't going to be an issue. The poor thermal solution on Ivy only rears its ugly head when you're pushing the CPU at high voltage & frequency. If you're concerned about temps and noise, I would make the investment in a case with good airflow, silent intake and exhaust fans, and a good cooler. I hate to say it, because this is OCN, but watercooling is probably completely overkill for the stated purpose of the machine. Having said that, the newer AiO systems like the Corsair H60 (2013 version) are very good, and darned quiet, especially when you throw quiet fans like the SP120 Quiet in the mix.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16891/ex-wat-219/XSPC_Raystorm_750_RS240_Extreme_Universal_CPU_Water_Cooling_Kit_New_Rev_4_Pump_Included_w_Free_Dead-Water.html?tl=g30c83s137

Water cooling is not expensive. 50 bucks more then a h100, Totally kills any AIO/Air cooler. Personally those Corsair units can't even beat higher end AIR cooling units most of the time.
You can put together cheaper loops getting the parts used or from china.
Plus they are pretty easy to put together, can be reused, and can be added to GPU in the future.
Though I'm about to water cool my HTPC, already have the parts ready tongue.gif
It is OCN after all, over kill doesn't exist here.

Though I don't think OP had water in mind.
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Test it when you get it for DOA, if its fine then the likeliness of it dying is really really low.

I love these kind of statistically nonsensical assertions. Did you base this on hard data given to you by Intel's RMA department, or did you make it up? OP is a member of the delid club, you are not. Giving him advise "delidding is actually pretty easy" is asinine tongue.gif
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That's what I was getting at earlier, even if I came off somewhat rude.

This is a rig for a friend, that all he wants to do is surf the web and watch movies...and you're going to invalidate his warranty from day 1 for slightly lower temps?

That rig is no different than any other gaming rig out there, without the GPU. Totally overkill for his needs. I'm sure you're having fun with this, but give the man a stable $600 PC, and give him the other $200 back for maybe more movies or something.

There is no such thing as future proofing. That $300 CPU is going to be just as obsolete as a $100 Trinity CPU when the time comes.
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Most sensible response. Even on stock cooling, the temps with the 3570 aren't going to be an issue. The poor thermal solution on Ivy only rears its ugly head when you're pushing the CPU at high voltage & frequency. If you're concerned about temps and noise, I would make the investment in a case with good airflow, silent intake and exhaust fans, and a good cooler. I hate to say it, because this is OCN, but watercooling is probably completely overkill for the stated purpose of the machine. Having said that, the newer AiO systems like the Corsair H60 (2013 version) are very good, and darned quiet, especially when you throw quiet fans like the SP120 Quiet in the mix.

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Test it when you get it for DOA, if its fine then the likeliness of it dying is really really low.
Even I lapped both my i7 and my old c2q shortly after testing it.

delidding is actually pretty easy if your doing the right method, using a razor blade is not the easy way. Using a block of wood and a hammer is, also better to heat the chip up a little with heatgun or hairdryer. Delid + lap the heat plate = win win for temps. Though really Ivy doesn't have a heat problem at stock speeds, but this is OCN after all rolleyes.gif

Also replacing the TIM on the GPU after testing is a good idea. I never trust stock TIM.

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He wants to run it for 5 years, but you want to immediately invalidate his warranty? Temps on Ivy are only a problem when overvolting. Since you can't adjust voltage with that H77 board, delidding is a pointless risk.

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That's what I was getting at earlier, even if I came off somewhat rude.

This is a rig for a friend, that all he wants to do is surf the web and watch movies...and you're going to invalidate his warranty from day 1 for slightly lower temps?

That rig is no different than any other gaming rig out there, without the GPU. Totally overkill for his needs. I'm sure you're having fun with this, but give the man a stable $600 PC, and give him the other $200 back for maybe more movies or something.

There is no such thing as future proofing. That $300 CPU is going to be just as obsolete as a $100 Trinity CPU when the time comes.

I'm ashamed of you guys. Where's the suggestions of doing LN2 or phase change?! This is OCN after all!!! tongue.gif

FINE!!! I have delidded a bunch of 3770s at this point and no risk what so ever rolleyes.gif. I do follow your line of thought on the warranty though. So have it your way!!!! wink.gif


Thanks for the help guys. Everything was shipped yesterday and I will be picking up the 3570k on Saturday and Sunday I should have time to put it together. thumb.gif

Edit: CPU is $150... I've got a $20 credit for something broken that I bought at MC... and it's originally $169... don't try to make it seem like it's more expensive than it really is. rolleyes.gif... biggrin.gif
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I love these kind of statistically nonsensical assertions. Did you base this on hard data given to you by Intel's RMA department, or did you make it up? OP is a member of the delid club, you are not. Giving him advise "delidding is actually pretty easy" is asinine tongue.gif

DERP

I don't have a CPU to do it on, but I know the method. AND IT ANT HARD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwv_EsY07Wg
if you couldn't do this I would feel bad for you.

Though
I would improve that with heatgun/hair dryer to warm up the TIM, not to much though. When you delid a chip that uses solder you need to use a heat gun to get it really hot to pop the top off. This is not the case, but heating it will allow the TIM to get softer and allow it to pop off easier.
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if you couldn't do this I would feel bad for you.

This is called a strawman fallacy. Ignore someone's actual position and argue something else entirely.

OP: "My friend wants a new PC for surfing, and I might delid the CPU."
WiSK: "You'll invalidate the warranty for little gain."
DzillaXx: "CPUs are unlikely to have problems after their first day of use. I know this because I have lapped a chip."
DzillaXx: "CPUs are easy to delid. I know this because I have watched a video."
WiSK: "You don't have proof for your statement about CPU lifespan, and don't have direct experience delidding."
DzillaXx: "If you think delidding is hard then you are sad."
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Edit: CPU is $150... I've got a $20 credit for something broken that I bought at MC... and it's originally $169... don't try to make it seem like it's more expensive than it really is. rolleyes.gif... biggrin.gif

Oh damn! Deal of the year! I'm heading to Cleveland tomorrow and might drag te lady to make a stop at MC to make use of my credit and pick up a 3570k just for giggles. I've got an extra HTPC that's currently using a Pentium and could definitely use the upgrade.
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