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Dear God children, it's not helping the OP get clear answers to his question all that much if you're caught up in a Intel vs. AMD pissing match. The point at hand here is yes, for a lower budget build, you can do just fine with an APU... but if you're going to do it with an AMD APU, I would recommend you hold off and see what you can find out about the Richland. They should be launched sometime this summer, probably around July or August I would guess. Should the jump to the Steamroller core live up to be the step that AMD is gearing for it to be, then the Richland should be a very, very good APU, especially for budget gaming builds.

I'll admit that it's rumors and speculation at this point, but word is that AMD is gearing up so that within 18-24 months we will see a high performance 8-core APU with Radeon 8000 or better graphics. I've also heard whisperings that AMD is shopping around the idea of a partnership to design a line of boards exclusively for the AMD APU's with separate memory slots for the GPU cores in addition the the normal 4+ slots for the CPU. The future of APUs, especially from AMD, is sounding very promising, we just need to see if Team Red can deliver the goods (and a good jab to Intel) when they start rolling out the Steamroller this summer.
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Also, Looniam, The point that they are trying to make to you is that by running at stock clocks any CPU or APU does not meet it's max TDP rating at max load, even at overclocks this doesn't happen...

For example my FX-8120 at a 4.2 OC... max power draw during an IBT run... 116W and change... It's rated at 125W at stock clocks... If I dialed it back to stock settings and choose to limit it to a certain level of power consumption, guess what, that's not to difficult to do within Windows or Catalyst, and I'm sure you can find a way to do so in BIOS as well.

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Most APU's can benefit from undervolting as their factory V core is a bit high,I wouldn't know how much less power it would use after an undervolt but would assume 10-15 watts at least,and perhaps another 10 watts less with a mITX board.
Just IMO,but 100 watts isn't bad at all for a quad core with a decent iGPU ,as already stated above,there is extra benefit from 2 more cores in games that can use them.
Yes! whistle.gif if anyone is to compare with i3-3220 again they really need their head chopped off. 1) The difference isn't 50W 2) A 6670 doesn't draw just 50W, it does more and also more mess + the APU and a miTX board will fit into a case like that,

Will a 6670 + 3220 do so?
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With the Trinity APU you'll get very adequate performance provided you give it all the things it would need to thrive and survive, namely good, speedy RAM and good cooling. I'm not sure what kind of budget you're looking at, but here's what I think I would do for a budget, high performance AMD APU gaming build...

AZZA Toledo 301 case -- $64.99 @ newegg
Seasonic SS300ET 80+ Bronze 300W PSU -- $29.99 @ newegg
ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Pro4-M motherboard -- $69.99 @ newegg
AMD A10-5800K Trinity APU -- $129.99 @ newegg
ASUS Black 12X Bluray Drive -- $59.99 @ newegg
WD Caviar Blue 250GB HDD -- $57.99 @ newegg
GSkill Sniper DDR3-2133 8GB (2x 4GB) -- $69.99 @ newegg
Enermax ETS-T60 TB Silence CPU cooler -- $54.99 @ newegg
(2) Xigmatek XAF-1456 140mm fans for the top slots (can be mounted into 120mm slots) -- $47.98 @ newegg


$585.90 + shipping for a complete tower sans the OS, which I would presume you already have a hard copy of an OS you can install on a new build. The CPU cooler and additional fans are just a personal preference, you could just as easily pass on those and save $100... I would use them simply because with that case you'll get very quiet, yet very high airflow to help with cooling. As far as a drive goes, imho, if you're not looking to spend a lot, you'd be better off going with a traditional HDD and applying the savings from a SSD of comparable capacity (about $150-175 saved with a 250GB HDD versus a 256GB SSD) towards a case with excellent airflow and an aftermarket CPU cooler, as well as maybe a couple additional case fans, like what I have listed above...

This is just my two cents, but maybe seeing a build list suggestion will help a little.
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Yes! whistle.gif if anyone is to compare with i3-3220 again they really need their head chopped off. 1) The difference isn't 50W 2) A 6670 doesn't draw just 50W, it does more and also more mess + the APU and a miTX board will fit into a case like that,

Will a 6670 + 3220 do so?
I never said the i3 3220 was bad,but the OP asked about AMD,and plenty of games can use more than 2 cores now. FM2 also gets even better with Richland APU's out soon.
But I'm not seeing what you're trying to ask? Are you asking if a HD6670+and APU setup wouldn't fit in a SFF ITX case? The HD6670 isn't really necessary with the APU.
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Yes! whistle.gif if anyone is to compare with i3-3220 again they really need their head chopped off. 1) The difference isn't 50W 2) A 6670 doesn't draw just 50W, it does more and also more mess + the APU and a miTX board will fit into a case like that,

Will a 6670 + 3220 do so?

Actually it would that's an Intel CPU in the image and there's space for a GPU (sorry I couldn't resist)
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Actually it would that's an Intel CPU in the image and there's space for a GPU (sorry I couldn't resist)
Probably have very poor cooling if that's what i want to mean. And also extra noise rolleyes.gif from a half height card since they have to use noisy 40mm fans
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I never said the i3 3220 was bad,but the OP asked about AMD,and plenty of games can use more than 2 cores now. FM2 also gets even better with Richland APU's out soon.
But I'm not seeing what you're trying to ask? Are you asking if a HD6670+and APU setup wouldn't fit in a SFF ITX case? The HD6670 isn't really necessary with the APU.
You didn't get my point ... DURR. I never mentioned anything about APU+HD6670 simply because it's NOT necessary. It's just that there are 6670 half heights but with that kind of airflow horrible temps (and noise) ensue
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With the Trinity APU you'll get very adequate performance provided you give it all the things it would need to thrive and survive, namely good, speedy RAM and good cooling. I'm not sure what kind of budget you're looking at, but here's what I think I would do for a budget, high performance AMD APU gaming build...

AZZA Toledo 301 case -- $64.99 @ newegg
Seasonic SS300ET 80+ Bronze 300W PSU -- $29.99 @ newegg
ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Pro4-M motherboard -- $69.99 @ newegg
AMD A10-5800K Trinity APU -- $129.99 @ newegg
ASUS Black 12X Bluray Drive -- $59.99 @ newegg
WD Caviar Blue 250GB HDD -- $57.99 @ newegg
GSkill Sniper DDR3-2133 8GB (2x 4GB) -- $69.99 @ newegg
Enermax ETS-T60 TB Silence CPU cooler -- $54.99 @ newegg
(2) Xigmatek XAF-1456 140mm fans for the top slots (can be mounted into 120mm slots) -- $47.98 @ newegg


$585.90 + shipping for a complete tower sans the OS, which I would presume you already have a hard copy of an OS you can install on a new build. The CPU cooler and additional fans are just a personal preference, you could just as easily pass on those and save $100... I would use them simply because with that case you'll get very quiet, yet very high airflow to help with cooling. As far as a drive goes, imho, if you're not looking to spend a lot, you'd be better off going with a traditional HDD and applying the savings from a SSD of comparable capacity (about $150-175 saved with a 250GB HDD versus a 256GB SSD) towards a case with excellent airflow and an aftermarket CPU cooler, as well as maybe a couple additional case fans, like what I have listed above...

This is just my two cents, but maybe seeing a build list suggestion will help a little.
WRONG! You don't need good cooling, 1866 RAM is the same price as 1600 unless you bought crappy Corsair vengeances
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WRONG! You don't need good cooling, 1866 RAM is the same price as 1600 unless you bought crappy Corsair vengeances

Attention to detail man... I picked 2133 memory, not 1600. If someone wants 1866 speeds, just buy a solid set of 1600 and overclock it, although you wouldn't notice the performance gains most often. Most 1866 memory I've had doesn't like to be easy to stabilize for the jump to 2133 hence why I picked it (although I will concede that is probably more in large part to my longtime use of Gigabyte boards). And what CPU/APU doesn't need adequate cooling, at stock clocks or oc'd?? Furthermore, this is a hypothetical build I posted, in an AMD thread, to bounce some ideas out there for the OP who had asked about AMD APUs and you're basically trolling anyone who comments here that doesn't love Intel as much as you apparently do. Chill, Winston. I don't care who you are and how much you might or might not know above and beyond those who have posted in the thread, so take a bong rip and settle down dude... you don't need to be condescending and treat people like they're idiots... everyone has an opinion and they're rightfully entitled to mold them by their own preferences and experiences... it doesn't make yours, mine, or anyone else's right or wrong.
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G.Skill 1866 will OC to 2133 easily if that's what you're wondering smile.gif Are you sure i troll anyone who doesn't like Intel as i apparently do?
Wow. I do not like Intel AT ALL.
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G.Skill 1866 will OC to 2133 easily if that's what you're wondering smile.gif Are you sure i troll anyone who doesn't like Intel as i apparently do?
Wow. I do not like Intel AT ALL.

But the 2133 can be oc'd to 2400 or above much easier than doind so with 1866... hence, why I'd spend the $70 dollars for the 2133 if I was building one... Some people may point out that such a RAM OC with an AMD CPU/APU would be difficult, but if I got my FX-8120/GA-990FX-UD5 to run 32GB of 1866 at rated speeds, and got 2 of those 8GB sticks stable at 2133 (after a lot of trial and error... mostly thanks to AwardBIOS) then with a board that has better native memory support a Trinity should be capable of doing so, and if not, the Steamroller may very well be capable of handling RAM at those clock speeds (2133+).
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