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Well, I only play SC2. So I guess I do play all my games Windowed (Fullscreen).

Thank you for the link. I will read over it and attempt to make the appropriate changes when I get home from work! redface.gif
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Well, I only play SC2. So I guess I do play all my games Windowed (Fullscreen).

Thank you for the link. I will read over it and attempt to make the appropriate changes when I get home from work! redface.gif

If you continue playing in windowed full screen after you stop OBS it may not be an issue with 2d/3d clock rates. The only way to be sure is to pull up CCC on a 2nd monitor (if you have one) and watch the clock rate while playing a game of SC2.
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Does it matter what I set my values to?

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Is that what I am looking for?


Edit: During game w/ OBS streaming
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/13/05/17/4cv.png

Core Clock stays at 850 MHz the whole time, kind of bizarre... Doesn't really fluctuate at all... GPU Load seems kind of high though?

With the new settings loaded, I notice some flickering at times that I didn't use to see flickering... Hmmm

Edit #2: I guess I'm re-reading some of what you said, and I'm not seeing how to monitor the clock rate with CCC. I see Information --> Hardware but that looks like a static information source?

Is there somewhere that I'm missing?
Edited by eXqUiSiTemB - 5/17/13 at 9:31pm
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Does it matter what I set my values to?

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          <Property name="Want_0" value="15700" />
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          <Property name="Want_0" value="30000" />
          <Property name="Want_1" value="60000" />
          <Property name="Want_2" value="85000" />
        </Feature>


Is that what I am looking for?


Edit: During game w/ OBS streaming
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/13/05/17/4cv.png

Core Clock stays at 850 MHz the whole time, kind of bizarre... Doesn't really fluctuate at all... GPU Load seems kind of high though?

With the new settings loaded, I notice some flickering at times that I didn't use to see flickering... Hmmm

Edit #2: I guess I'm re-reading some of what you said, and I'm not seeing how to monitor the clock rate with CCC. I see Information --> Hardware but that looks like a static information source?

Is there somewhere that I'm missing?

If the core clock isnt fluctuating at all then its nto an issue with 2d/3d performance

In CC click on "performance" then "AMD Overdrive" and it should have info for you to look at. Afterburner will also do this.
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I got so much flickering with those settings I had to revert them. It was driving me nuts.

I will run some more tests tonight. I'm still totally clueless as to what the issue might be. Everyone seems to say I should be able to stream with this hardware I have without feeling it in game? redface.gif
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is your CPU OC, and if so how much?

imo this is going to be a cpu limited issue. you will want an i5 over 4.2 GHz for streaming. the higher stream quality you encode, the more CPU u will need to use.

on a quad core system sc2 is effectively operating on 2 cores. I say effectively because its swapping the load across all 4 cores, but you will notice no matter what quad core or how heavy the sc2 map is, you will never peak past 50% total cpu usage when only running sc2. that said, the speed of those 2 available cores means everything to sc2, ignoring gcards of course.

I am not sure how the processor load from video encoding would be distributed across the remaining available cpu headroom, it may be fighting with sc2, or it may be playing along nicely.

to make it work with what you have, reduce your video encoding quality in some way

to make it work at high(er) quality upgrade cpu (not sure if your other parts mobo and ram are up to spec) to 4.2 ghz capable 4 core, HT not necessary

reducing your ingame graphix, especially certain settings, will reduce CPU load from the game, freeing up your system for the stream encoding.

I just looked up 1156 and your fairly limited in terms of cpu upgrades without changing anything else. if that is even on the table.

I think you can probably get by and stream on this rig without issues, so have no fear, you will just have to turn down some settings. some pros run really low system settings even though they have beast rigs, including livestreamers, both for performance and less distracting animations, more clearly identifiable unit models.
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oh and I just thought you might try setting 2 cores for sc2 manually, and 1 or 2 for your streaming stuff. from the task manager, processes, right click target process, set affinity

if they are bumping against eachother it may resolve that somewhat. it may also just crash your system instead. gl
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is your CPU OC, and if so how much?

imo this is going to be a cpu limited issue. you will want an i5 over 4.2 GHz for streaming. the higher stream quality you encode, the more CPU u will need to use.

on a quad core system sc2 is effectively operating on 2 cores. I say effectively because its swapping the load across all 4 cores, but you will notice no matter what quad core or how heavy the sc2 map is, you will never peak past 50% total cpu usage when only running sc2. that said, the speed of those 2 available cores means everything to sc2, ignoring gcards of course.

I am not sure how the processor load from video encoding would be distributed across the remaining available cpu headroom, it may be fighting with sc2, or it may be playing along nicely.

to make it work with what you have, reduce your video encoding quality in some way

to make it work at high(er) quality upgrade cpu (not sure if your other parts mobo and ram are up to spec) to 4.2 ghz capable 4 core, HT not necessary

reducing your ingame graphix, especially certain settings, will reduce CPU load from the game, freeing up your system for the stream encoding.

I just looked up 1156 and your fairly limited in terms of cpu upgrades without changing anything else. if that is even on the table.

I think you can probably get by and stream on this rig without issues, so have no fear, you will just have to turn down some settings. some pros run really low system settings even though they have beast rigs, including livestreamers, both for performance and less distracting animations, more clearly identifiable unit models.

Thank you for the comments.

I'm overclocked to 3.5 GHz and I use "Low" in-game graphics settings and I've tried all sorts of stream settings to see if they reduce the in-game slowness I am feeling, but I haven't really noticed a big difference.

I think I'm going to be upgrading to 4770K here with new complimenting components as well, so that should solve the problem I guess.

How much of a role does the graphics card play in streaming? What card should I be looking at in the upcoming months (not something over 400 dollars)?

Edit: Perhaps I should clarify... I know SC2 is primarily a CPU intensive game. I don't play any other games so I'm just wondering how high of a graphics card I should get. I don't need a Titan or anything fancy like that really since I don't play other games and I don't even play with extreme settings so I'm not sure if I need a very high end card. Opinions?
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Thank you for the comments.

I'm overclocked to 3.5 GHz and I use "Low" in-game graphics settings and I've tried all sorts of stream settings to see if they reduce the in-game slowness I am feeling, but I haven't really noticed a big difference.

I think I'm going to be upgrading to 4770K here with new complimenting components as well, so that should solve the problem I guess.

How much of a role does the graphics card play in streaming? What card should I be looking at in the upcoming months (not something over 400 dollars)?

Edit: Perhaps I should clarify... I know SC2 is primarily a CPU intensive game. I don't play any other games so I'm just wondering how high of a graphics card I should get. I don't need a Titan or anything fancy like that really since I don't play other games and I don't even play with extreme settings so I'm not sure if I need a very high end card. Opinions?

you would need only a small graphics card to max starcraft completely, eg 660 2gb should basically crush sc2.

my single 570 HD 2.5GB I could run at max settings and not notice any lag. sc2 maxes between 1200 and 1500MB vram usage on your gcard(s). **edit**don't get 650 1gb its not enough. get anything 650+ with 2GB vram. if you want to play any other games ever then get a 660 2GB if u can afford it. or more.

any new processor capable of 4.2 GHz and decent L3 will be great for sc2. 4 cores.

for streaming if you want flawless awesomeness and u have a good internet connection, spend more on cpu. more cpu and higher OC, + decent ram, SSD, will all contribute to good streaming performance. since your cpu must run starcraft and stream.

edit *** I just look u have 2x 1200 monitor, do u kill the other one when u play? if u use it aswell obv u need moar gcard than this, lean towards midrange newer series, etc.

if u need info on non-NVidia cards sum1 else will tell u, I don't use them.
Edited by Jollyburner - 5/26/13 at 3:10am
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Okay, thank you. That is what I was thinking. Good to hear some specific numbers so I know where I need to be when I start planning my next build.
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