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I wonder about your findings on the default voltage. Knowing how the default voltage scales vs asic % and it only scales like so with reference non-boost/ghz cards, thus what you are saying is opposite from known scaling behavior. Regarding the overclocking link to asic, you are creating your own argument there. No one is arguing against you because there is no argument because there is no link between overclocking and asic % level.

Eh? There isn't anything to "know" with ASIC scores, its all speculation. As I said, these are my findings with my GPUs, as you said, maybe its because theyre not reference cards, but they certainly don't follow the correlation you're suggesting.

And about the link to ocverclocking and ASIC, I was merely pointing it out as an interesting tidbit, I was agreeing there's no link between ASIC and OCability, that was my point. On GPU-Z it does however suggest a link between the two.

Has that cleared it up? redface.gif
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Ignore this guy.


OP, your asic is on the high side. 90% and higher is freaking rare and iirc those are not handed out very often because they are saved for the dual gpu card.
they are for High end card like Twin Frozr IV PE,lightning, ares, HOF,etc
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they are for High end card like Twin Frozr IV PE,lightning, ares, HOF,etc

No the highend cards all use very low ASIC %. For example, every MSI HD7970 Lightning I've seen and heard of, is well below 75%. I've had 2 HD7970 Lightnings and the first one was 56% and the next one was 64%.
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No the highend cards all use very low ASIC %. For example, every MSI HD7970 Lightning I've seen and heard of, is well below 75%. I've had 2 HD7970 Lightnings and the first one was 56% and the next one was 64%.

Meh.

Msi lightning use low asic chips because they use lightnings for ln2.
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Meh.

Msi lightning use low asic chips because they use lightnings for ln2.

May you explain why ASIC score is relevant to cooling methods used?
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May you explain why ASIC score is relevant to cooling methods used?


Taken from the GPU-Z ASIC thingy. Don't have a clue why this is, haven't read up on it yet.
My ASIC quality is 79% which is average yet my card overclocks like a beast.
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May you explain why ASIC score is relevant to cooling methods used?

Again. ASIC quality is how well your cards handle the volts. When you use ln2 you want to use a ton of volts thats why they have low asic chips on lightnings.
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they are for High end card like Twin Frozr IV PE,lightning, ares, HOF,etc

No the highend cards all use very low ASIC %. For example, every MSI HD7970 Lightning I've seen and heard of, is well below 75%. I've had 2 HD7970 Lightnings and the first one was 56% and the next one was 64%.

Ya both are off the mark. Only the Lightning is binned low because like sugarhell wrote for the LN2. And the TF4/PE/Lightning are all the same.
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Ya both are off the mark. Only the Lightning is binned low because like sugarhell wrote for the LN2. And the TF4/PE/Lightning are all the same.
when there wasnt TFIV there were Lightnings which were top of Msi Ex. 580GTX
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GPU-Z definition of ASIC:
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The next new feature is ASIC quality, designed for NVIDIA Fermi (GF10x and GF11x GPUs) and AMD Southern Islands (HD 7800 series and above), aimed at advanced users, hardware manufacturers, and the likes. We've found the ways in which AMD and NVIDIA segregate their freshly-made GPU ASICs based on the electrical leakages the chips produce (to increase yield by allotting them in different SKUs and performance bins), and we've found ways in which ASIC quality can be quantified and displayed. Find this feature in the context menu of GPU-Z. We're working on implementing this feature on older AMD Radeon GPUs.

From my understanding, the ASIC quality is a value assigned to GPUs during the binning process which is based on their electrical leakage. With a higher % in quality, you will see lower voltage at the card's stock clocks. With lower % in quality, you have more electrical leakage, which can require higher voltage at stock. And it looks like the manufacturers so just that and assign higher stock voltage with lower ASIC %.

When people see anything related to lower voltage at stock, they assume the GPU will OC higher. We developed this mindset with CPUs (Think of the Q6600 days and low VIDs). But what people are finding is that just because a GPU runs stock at a lower voltage, does not mean it will scale better and be able to OC higher then those with lower %.

So maybe its better to put it like this: ASIC scores do not define how a GPU scales when OCing.
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