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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

Just for the sake of adding to this comparison of the HD4000/HD3000 vs this APU in games (from the source you provided)

(low settings)
  • BioShock Infinite: Ivy 44% faster
  • Tomb Raider: Ivy 93% faster
  • Crysis 3: Ivy 138% faster
  • Hitman: Absolution: Ivy 44% faster
  • COD: BO: Ivy 61% faster
  • Dishonored: Ivy 78% faster
  • Counter Strike: Go (they didn't included HD4000):  HD3000: 307% faster
  • Sleeping Dogs: Ivy 42% faster
  • Dirt Showdown: (HD4000 not included):  HD3000 95% faster
  • Diablo 3:  Ivy 85% faster
  • Anno 2070: Ivy 40% faster
  • Skyrim: HD3000: 33% faster
  • Battlefield 3: Ivy 56%


Just the reality of it

comparing 8w apu to 20w+ laptop gpu/proc? this product is going to compete with ATOM products clovertrail/baytrail etc..see how this stacks up against those.
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And this architecture is expected to go in your next gen gaming console. 4 jaguar netbook cores can't even compare to a 3317u?

Way to hype.


- Temash APU A6-1450(80$) has Quad Core 1ghz Jaguar CPU and this APU is primarily intended for Tablet PC

- Sony PS4 uses 8 Jaguar CPU Cores very likely 2ghz CPU frequency

Are these hardware/CPU facts little clearer now or you still have problems?


http://www.overclock.net/t/1390207/liliputing-ultrabooknews-acer-aspire-v5-11-6-inch-notebook-with-amd-temash-chip-tested-updated/40#post_19947741

Regarding the Intel i5 3317U, you might not know but this CPU has a very nice price of 225$. rolleyes.gif
Edited by Asterox - 5/17/13 at 1:52pm
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post #63 of 96
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comparing 8w apu to 20w+ laptop gpu/proc? this product is going to compete with ATOM products clovertrail/baytrail etc..see how this stacks up against those.

I believe what notebook check does is simply comparing notebook performance. It doesn't have be at the same TDP.
Are you trying to make an excuse that comparing CPU with different TDP is not fair?
Remember that FX-8350 is 125W processor. But Core i7 3770K which is a 77W processor can outperform FX-8350.
Is it fair to compare 125W vs 77W CPU? Is it fair to compare 8 Cores CPU versus 4 Cores CPU?
Even if Core i7 3770K lose to FX-8350, Intel fanboys will make their excuse just like what I stated before.

Back to the topic, I really expect a lot with Temash. Some preview videos from AMD really makes me excited.
However, after reading this review article, I think AMD has just failed my expectation once again.
Maybe I should wait for Haswell Y series and see how it performs. Hopefully it can make its way to convertible tablets.
I really hope AMD can do more to counter Intel domination so Intel will kindly reduce the price of their chips. Like that sweet $225 for Core i5 3317U. Technology is kinda expensive afterall.
Edited by Bima Sylirian - 5/17/13 at 9:59am
    
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comparing 8w apu to 20w+ laptop gpu/proc? this product is going to compete with ATOM products clovertrail/baytrail etc..see how this stacks up against those.

 

I realize that.  I was just putting to rest the claims that this little APU can compete against the HD4000, using the HD4000 as a standard of performance (in fact, the lowest acceptable rate) 

 

If a device can't game as good as a HD4000 (which isn't saying very much), then it isn't even worth mentioning for it's GPU capabilities. 

 

It's perf/watt isn't an issue if the performance just isn't there YET.

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I realize that.  I was just putting to rest the claims that this little APU can compete against the HD4000, using the HD4000 as a standard of performance (in fact, the lowest acceptable rate) 

If a device can't game as good as a HD4000 (which isn't saying very much), then it isn't even worth mentioning for it's GPU capabilities. 

It's perf/watt isn't an issue if the performance just isn't there YET.

I don't think Temash was supposed to battle against the HD4000. Lets be real, this APU likely costs at most 25-50 dollars. Not sure of the exact pricing, but I know the intel parts(with HD4000) are atleast double, likely triple the price of that.

Temash is for fighting Atom.

Kabini is for fighting the stronger intel counter-parts.

*made a edit for clarity*
Edited by Alanim - 5/17/13 at 12:12pm
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I realize that.  I was just putting to rest the claims that this little APU can compete against the HD4000, using the HD4000 as a standard of performance (in fact, the lowest acceptable rate) 

If a device can't game as good as a HD4000 (which isn't saying very much), then it isn't even worth mentioning for it's GPU capabilities. 

It's perf/watt isn't an issue if the performance just isn't there YET.

HD 4000 are only on the i7s, and they obviously use a lot more power and cost more than the A6...
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HD 4000 are only on the i7s, and they obviously use a lot more power and cost more than the A6...

http://ark.intel.com/products/65707

That's an i5 with an HD4000.

http://ark.intel.com/products/65697/

And an i3 with HD4000.
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- Temash APU A6-1450(80$) has Quad Core 1ghz Jaguar CPU and this APU is primarily intended for Tablet PC

- Sony PS4 uses 8 Jaguar CPU Cores very likely 2ghz CPU frequency

Are these hardware/CPU facts little clearer now or you still have problems?


http://www.overclock.net/t/1390207/liliputing-ultrabooknews-acer-aspire-v5-11-6-inch-notebook-with-amd-temash-chip-tested-updated/40#post_19947741

Regarding the Intel i5 3317U, you might not know but this CPU has a very nice price of 225$. rolleyes.gif

Would you really buy a laptop processor alone?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834256978

Cheapest I5-3317U in Newegg.

$599

Acer Aspire V5-122P. Granted, it's touch. Touch on a laptop for... low end gaming? $589.

Sans the "touch" hype, it'd probably cost $499.

Which would you go with? Neither HP nor Acer are brands I would want, but if you were given no other choice. Would you really go with the Temash for $100 less?
Edited by Kand - 5/17/13 at 11:21pm
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Would you really buy a laptop processor alone?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834256978

Cheapest I5-3317U in Newegg.

$599

Acer Aspire V5-122P. Granted, it's touch. Touch on a laptop for... low end gaming? $589.

Sans the "touch" hype, it'd probably cost $499.

Which would you go with? Neither HP nor Acer are brands I would want, but if you were given no other choice. Would you really go with the Temash for $100 less?

You can't really compare the prices of newly released products against products that's been on the market for a while. Almost every new product carries that initial price hike due to being new, then drops over time.

The cost to OEMs is $225 for the i5-3317U. The Temash processor is likely in the neighborhood of $50-75 to OEMs. You do the math.
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