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Originally Posted by Tsumi View Post

You can't really compare the prices of newly released products against products that's been on the market for a while. Almost every new product carries that initial price hike due to being new, then drops over time.

The cost to OEMs is $225 for the i5-3317U. The Temash processor is likely in the neighborhood of $50-75 to OEMs. You do the math.

So basically, we the consumers are buying better processors at a discount. The two notebooks cost the same, 3317U costs more to the OEM, but it's still better than a Temash.
Edited by Kand - 5/17/13 at 11:44pm
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Keep in mind the A6-1450 is the power miser quad core of the Jaguar series goes all the way up to the A6-5200 Quad at 2GHz.

A preview: http://wccftech.com/amd-kabini-apu-ces-2013/

Also note the Acer product required fiddling with the power profiles to get it to turbo on all 4 cores. http://www.umpcportal.com/2013/05/amd-temash-a6-1450-performance-acer-aspire-v5/
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Keep in mind the A6-1450 is the power miser quad core of the Jaguar series goes all the way up to the A6-5200 Quad at 2GHz.

A preview: http://wccftech.com/amd-kabini-apu-ces-2013/

Also note the Acer product required fiddling with the power profiles to get it to turbo on all 4 cores. http://www.umpcportal.com/2013/05/amd-temash-a6-1450-performance-acer-aspire-v5/

If a laptop with a "power miser" running 1Ghz is $599.


I can't bear to think how much people would be forced to pay for 2Ghz.

$999 anyone?
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If a laptop with a "power miser" running 1Ghz is $599.


I can't bear to think how much people would be forced to pay for 2Ghz.

$999 anyone?

Kind of early to be judging where the pricing will end up. 4GB version is $510 pre-order at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-V5-122P-0600-11-6-Inch-Touchscreen/dp/B00CM1AAP0/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1368859942&sr=1-5&keywords=Acer+Aspire+V5+122P

Seems likely there will be some designs with non-touch panels, some TN instead of IPS to hit lower price points. If I was going to design a unit I'd definitely make sure it had a higher capacity battery, no reason a unit like that can't have a SSD, ditch the backlit keyboard and shoot for 10+ hour battery life.

AMD has always had terrible control over how their product lines are marketed and priced.
Edited by Vesku - 5/17/13 at 11:57pm
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post #75 of 96
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So basically, we the consumers are buying better processors at a discount. The two notebooks cost the same, 3317U costs more to the OEM, but it's still better than a Temash.

What part of discounted current product vs non-discounted new product do you not understand?
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If a laptop with a "power miser" running 1Ghz is $599.


I can't bear to think how much people would be forced to pay for 2Ghz.

$999 anyone?

doh.gif

Some people pay extra for low power consumption and long battery life.

The i7 3667U costs $346, and certainly isn't any better than the i3 3120M at $225. Both are clocked at a max of 2.5 ghz, have the HD4000 graphics, and have 2 hyperthreaded cores.
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post #76 of 96
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What part of discounted current product vs non-discounted new product do you not understand?
doh.gif

Some people pay extra for low power consumption and long battery life.

The i7 3667U costs $346, and certainly isn't any better than the i3 3120M at $225. Both are clocked at a max of 2.5 ghz, have the HD4000 graphics, and have 2 hyperthreaded cores.

Temash: Somewhere between 8-15w TDP
3317U: 17W.

You're grasping at straws.
post #77 of 96
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Temash: Somewhere between 8-15w TDP
3317U: 17W.

You're grasping at straws.

What straws am I grasping at? You're the one grasping at any straw to make this product look bad.

You're the one comparing prices, saying the 2 ghz would cost $999. I was pointing out that a binned lower power part will cost more than a high power part even if the performance is the same, and that people do pay extra for better battery life and lower power consumption. I was never at any point in that price comparison comparing Temash to the 3317U.
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For an 8W chip in a $450 notebook this is incredible. GPU performance comes very close to the HD 4000 in the 3317U and the CPU delivers 1/2 to 2/3 of the 3317U's performance while consuming less than half the power and costing next to nothing.

Can't wait for Kabini, the actual notebook-oriented Jaguar chip (while this chip, Temash, is geared towards tablets and netbooks) to get out there. Better GPUs and CPU clocks up to 2GHz (and that's before turbo) will provide some serious competition to Intel's ULV chips... though we'll see what Haswell brings.
Edited by Usario - 5/18/13 at 3:37pm
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I hope there's more to it than 3hrs as specified. Maybe a bigger battery. I honestly love the Idea of an X86 tablet, but not if its battery life is that horrible. At least 10 hrs and you have a die hard fan. thumb.gif
post #80 of 96
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For an 8W chip in a $450 notebook this is incredible. GPU performance comes very close to the HD 4000 in the 3317U and the CPU delivers 1/2 to 2/3 of the 3317U's performance while consuming less than half the power and costing next to nothing.

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the AMD apu does offer a great market value.

which is different then raw all out performance
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