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All those cost apply to paper book too, in addition to transport, materials.

So whats the actual manufacturing cost of a book?
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Ebook costs are inherently lower than paper costs.

1. Paper and ink cost money, ie materials
2. Printing presses are still used for paper books, capital hardware costs, maintenance, rent for facility, etc.
3. Shipping costs for books, fuel surcharge, actual shipping costs etc
4. Much more expensive to print in languages that do not use a standard language print set (arabic or mandarin for example)


Ebooks:

1. Formatting for digital sale, creating chapter hyperlinks, scanning book cover etc.
2. Spellcheck and proofreading (This applies to paper copies as well)
3. Language translation (This applies to paper copies as well) but can be done through software with a proofreading

Shared costs would of course be licensing agreements, marketing, profit sharing to publishers or e-distributors.

Either way, ebooks should be vastly cheaper to create and distribute. Shipping alone accounts for a big chunk of paper book prices.
Edited by Robilar - 5/15/13 at 6:48pm
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lol for claiming that ebooks cost more to produce and distribute...
lol for bandwidth too...steam distributes GBs of data cheaper than the production and distribution of compact optical media.
By comparison the average book is thousands of times smaller in digital form and much heavier & bulkier to transport and store.

there is no comparison.
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No cost related to the materials? Instead of paying for the paper and ink on each book, which if you don't go all nuts on with fancy paper and thick text, isn't extremely expensive. Meanwhile an ebook needs to be delivered which takes a cut for the bandwidth and having it within the ebook store. It also requires someone to make it into an ebook, whether that be the publisher or an outside source, which then takes some more straight up pay or another cut of the pie. In the end the "materials" for ebooks may in fact cost more due to everyone taking a cut here and there for their services, licensing, royalties, etc.
Are you really trying to argue Ebooks being more expensive to make..... doh.gif
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This is silly. When you eliminate physical stock, the used market doesn't exist; and the overstock market doesn't exist. There's no incentive to "get it off the shelf" to make room for new product. A slow selling eBook may never drop in price.

Blame Apple if you want to, but the business model is bound to raise prices. No one company is at fault. This is why I will absolutely never buy DLC anything. It's not about "ownership". Everyone always complains when you buy something digital you don't really "own" it. - That's not the problem here. The problem is it will destroy any reasonable expectation for markdowns. Physical stock helps consumers.
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I don't know about you guys but down in NZ (paper) books still cost $40
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This is silly. When you eliminate physical stock, the used market doesn't exist; and the overstock market doesn't exist. There's no incentive to "get it off the shelf" to make room for new product. A slow selling eBook may never drop in price.

Blame Apple if you want to, but the business model is bound to raise prices. No one company is at fault. This is why I will absolutely never buy DLC anything. It's not about "ownership". Everyone always complains when you buy something digital you don't really "own" it. - That's not the problem here. The problem is it will destroy any reasonable expectation for markdowns. Physical stock helps consumers.

? Not true. I see ebooks going on sale all the time on Amazon. I see a lot of authors also giving away early versions of series for free or marked down to 99 cents. There is competition between ebook authors for the buyer's money just like everything else.
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ah ebooks. first, i have no clue why ebooks aren't the defacto format at this point. secondly, why do ebooks cost more than physical paperbacks? why do publishers hate ebooks so much that they will only offer them if they can charge more, even though there is no cost related to materials?

The same reason that we aren't offered flac, 24bit 92+kHZ music (outside of most people having crappy myself included sound set ups) and why we aren't offered bluray quality streaming or downloads as well. Fear of consolidating and therefore narrowing an income base from multiple formats that most people would rather pay twice for than convert from one to another.

As much as businesses get too much of a bad rep...they sometimes deserve it.
     
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? Not true. I see ebooks going on sale all the time on Amazon. I see a lot of authors also giving away early versions of series for free or marked down to 99 cents. There is competition between ebook authors for the buyer's money just like everything else.

For now, yes. While the tech is new. The trend will not continue. The copyright holder isn't going to pass the savings of not having to print a physical book on to you. They'll just pad their profits. I just bought a book hard cover for half what the ebook cost (kindle store). My book can be shared with anyone I want without having to lend them a $100 e-reader, and when I am done with it I will re-sell it used, allowing someone else to buy it for $5.00, even less than kindle, a second time. Now 2 people got the book and the copyright holder only sold 1 copy. Uh-oh!
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I can't wait until writers wise up and just drop publishers altogether. Just write a book, copyright it and release it yourself online.

I'll never pay more than $10 for a book. I'm only going to read it once, maybe twice within 5 years.
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