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For now, yes. While the tech is new. The trend will not continue. The copyright holder isn't going to pass the savings of not having to print a physical book on to you. They'll just pad their profits. I just bought a book hard cover for half what the ebook cost (kindle store). My book can be shared with anyone I want without having to lend them a $100 e-reader, and when I am done with it I will re-sell it used, allowing someone else to buy it for $5.00, even less than kindle, a second time. Now 2 people got the book and the copyright holder only sold 1 copy. Uh-oh!

Just so we are clear, tablets sales have more than quadrupled in the last 5 years. I would suggest polling your family and friends as to how many people use a tablet (or a phone) to read (assuming they read). Pretty much anyone that is an avid reader and is under the age of 60 (except my parents, both over 60, both using tablets to read) is going to have a tablet or an ereading device. My wife used her IPhone 5 to read books until I bought her an IPad Mini.

Also regarding digital sharing, Kindle for example can be loaded on up to 5 devices with the same paid library. That means 5 people can be reading the same book on their device, at the same time. Let's see you do that with a single book biggrin.gif

Let's also add that you can load Overdrive on many devices and borrow books from libraries for free straight to your tablet or reader. No need to go to the library or return, you can reserve the digital book online for when it is available, etc.

Add the million or so free books that are available for anyone to read through Google as well...

Also you seem to be inferring that people are buying tablets to read. I don't think that is the case. People buy e-readers to read (Kindle/Nook/Kobo etc) but typically buy tablets for other reasons. I had a tablet for quite some time before I finally started using it for reading (my first IPad). The same held true for a couple of friends of mine who had tablets. At my suggestion they bought a couple of ebooks and were instantly hooked. I sold my entire paper library (here at OCN in fact) a couple of years ago and went all digital. Not only am I saving trees and fuel but I can carry my entire library with me anywhere I go, I can buy books anywhere, any time and get instant delivery, I don't have to worry about a particular store not having stock or being sold out, etc. Plus I am not carrying a stack of paper books with me (I'll never forget the time I took my family to Hawaii for two weeks and brought 3 of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time in hardcover with me to read - like carrying a stack of bricks:p)
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IF you sell your physical book how are you going to get the epeen satisfaction of not having your bookcase filled up? tongue.gif

Really if you wanna share your book, connect someone elses e-reader to your PC and move the book over, simple as that. Books are heavy if you like to carry more then one at one time, bookmarkers fall out, pages can get damaged easily. Plus ereader is easier to read from.

Plus you can get good number of books for 99c, also Amazon isnt the only place to get them. Plus for some the pirate factor also kicks in. devil.gif

Can't wait till we no longer have text books in schools, why should kids have to carry around 4-5 big text books when they could easily fit everything onto a single device for all to access?

I remember almost breaking my back bring my backpack home when I was a kid, somedays bring 5 big text books really takes a toll. Would go though a backpack every 3 months. What would be better buying a single cheap reader or buying backpack after backpack? Though I went to a parochial school so kids at public school may not get as much homework as I did.

Most could care less about reselling a book, I give mine away not sell them if I don't want to keep it.

That is a great point. My daughter goes to a private school so I get the joy of purchasing her high school text books every year. I spend roughly $700 on books per year. Sometimes I can resell them (although the publishers are fond of changing a single page and forcing everyone to buy a new improved version of the book). I would be quite happy to buy the books in digital format for her. Again imagine the printing and shipping cost savings that would occur if the publishers had them in digital format. Tablets are dirt cheap now and could potentially hold every text book for a student's entire school experience.
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That is a great point. My daughter goes to a private school so I get the joy of purchasing her high school text books every year. I spend roughly $700 on books per year. Sometimes I can resell them (although the publishers are fond of changing a single page and forcing everyone to buy a new improved version of the book). I would be quite happy to buy the books in digital format for her. Again imagine the printing and shipping cost savings that would occur if the publishers had them in digital format. Tablets are dirt cheap now and could potentially hold every text book for a student's entire school experience.


You're kidding right? School books are the biggest racket out there. If you buy digital you can't sell it back and they charge you the frigging same from the store (or more sometimes) than the physical copy.


Admittedly I've never gotten more than 15 dollars for any of my 200 dollar college textbooks on resale (back to the store) but hell at least I can sell them back. Your daughter's college or university will love you.... giving them a higher profit margin.


Also im 31 and I still prefer to read my books in the physical form. Maybe I'm an old fogey but reading on a reader hurts my eyes.
 
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I'm 46 and if you use a decent tablet or reader to read on, it is much easier on the eyes... Not to mention being able to increase font size so that I do not need to wear reading glasses (and that is the biggest bonus reading on a device over paper). I recently got lasik for my distance vision and now I prefer not to wear any kind of glasses if possible. A tablet makes that viable.
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You're kidding right? School books are the biggest racket out there. If you buy digital you can't sell it back and they charge you the frigging same from the store (or more sometimes) than the physical copy.


Admittedly I've never gotten more than 15 dollars for any of my 200 dollar college textbooks on resale (back to the store) but hell at least I can sell them back. Your daughter's college or university will love you.... giving them a higher profit margin.


Also im 31 and I still prefer to read my books in the physical form. Maybe I'm an old fogey but reading on a reader hurts my eyes.


You wouldn't need to buy then books if the school went digital. They could get all the licences and let the kids use them when they are in the class. Colleges may not go that route right away, but High Schools and Grade/Middle schools would be much better off with this method. Really Paying for books should be a thing of the past for school, renting the time to use them would be better. (for colleges that is)
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Just so we are clear, tablets sales have more than quadrupled in the last 5 years. I would suggest polling your family and friends as to how many people use a tablet (or a phone) to read (assuming they read). Pretty much anyone that is an avid reader and is under the age of 60 (except my parents, both over 60, both using tablets to read) is going to have a tablet or an ereading device. My wife used her IPhone 5 to read books until I bought her an IPad Mini.

Also regarding digital sharing, Kindle for example can be loaded on up to 5 devices with the same paid library. That means 5 people can be reading the same book on their device, at the same time. Let's see you do that with a single book biggrin.gif

Let's also add that you can load Overdrive on many devices and borrow books from libraries for free straight to your tablet or reader. No need to go to the library or return, you can reserve the digital book online for when it is available, etc.

Add the million or so free books that are available for anyone to read through Google as well...

Also you seem to be inferring that people are buying tablets to read. I don't think that is the case. People buy e-readers to read (Kindle/Nook/Kobo etc) but typically buy tablets for other reasons. I had a tablet for quite some time before I finally started using it for reading (my first IPad). The same held true for a couple of friends of mine who had tablets. At my suggestion they bought a couple of eBooks and were instantly hooked. I sold my entire paper library (here at OCN in fact) a couple of years ago and went all digital. Not only am I saving trees and fuel but I can carry my entire library with me anywhere I go, I can buy books anywhere, any time and get instant delivery, I don't have to worry about a particular store not having stock or being sold out, etc. Plus I am not carrying a stack of paper books with me (I'll never forget the time I took my family to Hawaii for two weeks and brought 3 of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time in hardcover with me to read - like carrying a stack of bricks:p)

I never mentioned tablets at all. My concern is that without physical books, control of price will be at the sole discretion of the copyright holder and be completely sheltered from the demand curves of the free market. I've explained why this is in several prior posts. There are several reasons for this.

1. Second Hand Markets - A "Used Book Rack" offers the same books for less money thus creating incentive for publishers to drop their prices of new books to compete with used books on amazon / eBay. The lower price of new books then causes the selling price of used books to, again decrease. No one is going to pay more for a used book than a new book.

2. Physical Stock - I own a book store and Stephen King's novel is selling poorly. But it's taking up space on my book shelves. I want to put better selling books on those shelves, but I already bought all these Stephen King books. I will clearance them out for what I paid or less, allowing people to buy books brand new from me for $2.00 a pop.I need my precious shelf spacxe to make room for the new Halo novel, which will sell like hotcakes.

With the elimination of physical stock, nothing ever needs to go on clearance. Sure, companies like Valve may occasionally offer you amazing sales on their digital content. That isn't because they need to. That's because a marketing analyst suggested they do. Your position as the consumer is weakened. Period. INstead of allowing the free market to dictate prices, you're allowing the company to. And to think you (not singling anone out) are willing to give up your elasticity of demand as consumers is disgusting. You are entering a world where the company that sells you a product will dictate:

What it costs regardless of how it sells.
How you may use it.
Who may use it.
You may not re-sell your own property.

Please don't tell me "there's no way to stop it" or "digital is the future" - we can go digital without giving upour freedoms guaranteed to us under the first sale doctrine - or basic property ownership concepts for those of you lucky enough to not live in the DRM ridden USA.
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I never mentioned tablets at all. My concern is that without physical books, control of price will be at the sole discretion of the copyright holder and be completely sheltered from the demand curves of the fresh market they've explained why this is in several prior boosts. There several reasons for this.

1. Second Hand Markets - A "Used Book Rack" offers the same books for less money thus creating incentive for publishers to drop their prices of new books to compete with used books on amazon / eBay. The lower price of new books then causes the selling price of used books to, again decrease. No one is going to pay more for a used book than a new book.

2. Physical Stock - I own a book store and Stephen King's novel is selling poorly. But it's taking up space on my book shelves. I want to put better selling books on those shelves, but I already bought all these Stephen King books. I will clearance them out for what I paid or less, allowing people to buy books brand new from me for $2.00 a pop.I need my precious shelf spacxe to make room for the new Halo novel, which will sell like hotcakes.

With the elimination of physical stock, nothing ever needs to go on clearance. Sure, companies like Valve may occasionally offer you amazing sales on their digital content. That isn't because they need to. That's because a marketing analyst suggested they do. Your position as the consumer is weakened. Period. INstead of allowing the free market to dictate prices, you're allowing the company to. And to think you (not singling anone out) are willing to give up your elasticity of demand as consumers is disgusting. You are entering a world where the company that sells you a product will dictate:

What it costs regardless of how it sells.
How you may use it.
Who may use it.
You may not re-sell your own property.

Please don't tell me "there's no way to stop it" or "digital is the future" - we can go digital without giving upour freedoms guaranteed to us under the first sale doctrine - or basic property ownership concepts for those of you lucky enough to not live in the DRM ridden USA.

Qft. I believe this will sell more books and other media, not less. I also hate stores like the android market. If I buy a book on that market I can only use it on an Android device. It is the same price as say a Kindle book but I have more restrictions. There are a few other sellers offer even more freedom than amazon. With the only drm being my name in the book. I can download the books in any major format but I can't resell them. The rights for digital media need to be set by us and followed by the companies and not the other way around. Right now it's a mess with different companies offering different degrees of freedom for the same price on the same product.
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