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post #11 of 22
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You're going to have your intake fans running at super speed to keep positive case pressure.
Or just have more intake than output fans...

That is the basic premise which keeps my antec 1200 nearly dust free. All intakes have filters, and there are more of them than not. I have very little dust build up in the case, only a very thin layer was in my case after 5 years of use.

I guess if you put a radiator at every available spot that wouldn't work out so hot though.
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Or just have more intake than output fans...

That is the basic premise which keeps my antec 1200 nearly dust free. All intakes have filters, and there are more of them than not. I have very little dust build up in the case, only a very thin layer was in my case after 5 years of use.

I guess if you put a radiator at every available spot that wouldn't work out so hot though.

And where do you intend to have those intake fans if the case is full of radiators like the OP question describes?
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post #13 of 22
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People don't fill a case with radiators for a few of reason:

1. Budget. Water parts are expensive.

2. Ease of assembly and maintenance. Filling a case to the point where nothing else can be added can make installing a pain as well as increase the time it takes to drain and refill a loop.

3. Noise. At some point having too many radiators will be so loud it will be annoying to sit next to.

I have a single RX360 with three Top Motor 120mm fans in my case and it's about as loud as I'd like it to be at about 50% fan speed.

EDIT: As to the comment about airflow, I don't agree that it would be a problem since water cooling requires some planning to get a loop to run efficiently in the first place. A few extra minutes directing fans wouldn't deter me from adding more radiators.

How does directing fans help if every opening is covered with a radiator. At some point air has to come in and out somewhere else. That means recycling hot air through radiators. That's why its not a good idea.
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And where do you intend to have those intake fans if the case is full of radiators like the OP question describes?
Nothing stopping you from putting filters on the fans for each radiator, and leaving available exhaust area.

If everything is under water anyways, dumping heat into the case would be nearly trivial, as long as you kept exhaust away from intake.
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post #15 of 22
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People don't fill a case with radiators for a few of reason:

1. Budget. Water parts are expensive.

2. Ease of assembly and maintenance. Filling a case to the point where nothing else can be added can make installing a pain as well as increase the time it takes to drain and refill a loop.

3. Noise. At some point having too many radiators will be so loud it will be annoying to sit next to.

I have a single RX360 with three Top Motor 120mm fans in my case and it's about as loud as I'd like it to be at about 50% fan speed.

EDIT: As to the comment about airflow, I don't agree that it would be a problem since water cooling requires some planning to get a loop to run efficiently in the first place. A few extra minutes directing fans wouldn't deter me from adding more radiators.

This guy hits the nail right on the head! That said, I packed 3x 120 thick rad and 3x 120 thin rad into a mid-tower.
Then I did it again. (Click to show)
jb2IDRpmgTqxcM.jpg

It's a pain in the rear if you have to do ANYTHING with the loop (including bleeding/filling, since I got a Koolance res. Made incredibly well, but a pain to deal with).

New CPU? Drain the loop.
Need to RMA a Titan? Drain the loop.
Need to check the mobo for busted caps? Disassemble the entire rig, but first drain the loop.

I'm currently trying to install my ek backplates but its looking like to do that I may have to drain the loop. This wasn't a 5k rig though Definitely above 3k, but less than 5. Wasn't really a dream rig either. If you include screens then it was a 5k+ rig.
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post #16 of 22
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How does directing fans help if every opening is covered with a radiator. At some point air has to come in and out somewhere else. That means recycling hot air through radiators. That's why its not a good idea.

Most cases have a 120/140mm at the rear and sometimes something out of the norm in the front or the top, like the HAF series or the Phantom series.

Recycling air isn't as bad as most people think. It's not efficient, but in most cases it's not heating the radiator.
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Nothing stopping you from putting filters on the fans for each radiator, and leaving available exhaust area.

If everything is under water anyways, dumping heat into the case would be nearly trivial, as long as you kept exhaust away from intake.

I don't understand why you're bringing up filters.

Running every radiator fan as an intake is fine as long as other components aren't getting too hot due to the lack of airflow.
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post #17 of 22
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Most cases have a 120/140mm at the rear and sometimes something out of the norm in the front or the top, like the HAF series or the Phantom series.

Recycling air isn't as bad as most people think. It's not efficient, but in most cases it's not heating the radiator.
I don't understand why you're bringing up filters.

Running every radiator fan as an intake is fine as long as other components aren't getting too hot due to the lack of airflow.

Of course its bad, it renders the extra rads basically useless. It also means that instead of having a nice quiet case fan to exhaust you have another loud radiator fan to exhaust air. The extra rad or rads that are being fed hot air just add to overall restriction and noise and contribute a tiny fraction of overall cooling.

Airflow is key to efficient and quiet water cooling, excessive radiator capacity without regard to airflow does more harm than good. The air coming out of even a thin rad is around 80% or higher of the water temp in the rad, using that air to then cool another rad leaves that spare 20% of possible air temp increase for that rad. They simply can't do much with that warm air, they mainly add noise.
It has nothing to do with budget or ease of installation, if rads were only 20% efficient then everyone would have them packed all over the place, but they are 80% efficient and less can be more overall.
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post #18 of 22
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Of course its bad, it renders the extra rads basically useless. It also means that instead of having a nice quiet case fan to exhaust you have another loud radiator fan to exhaust air. The extra rad or rads that are being fed hot air just add to overall restriction and noise and contribute a tiny fraction of overall cooling.

Airflow is key to efficient and quiet water cooling, excessive radiator capacity without regard to airflow does more harm than good. The air coming out of even a thin rad is around 80% or higher of the water temp in the rad, using that air to then cool another rad leaves that spare 20% of possible air temp increase for that rad. They simply can't do much with that warm air, they mainly add noise.
It has nothing to do with budget or ease of installation, if rads were only 20% efficient then everyone would have them packed all over the place, but they are 80% efficient and less can be more overall.


I didn't tell anyone to use a radiator as exhaust. I only said it's not efficient, which is the short version of what you've written.
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For my new loop, I'll have a lower 480 intake and top 480 as exhaust. This isn't ideal to me but seems to be the only way to maintain positive pressure short of running my rad fans at very low speed.

Anyway I'll also have 4 case fans as intake (3 front, 1 rear). Given the size of the st10-x I'm hoping case temps won't be too much of an issue. Also flow will be counter clockwise so the top rad gets the dirtiest air and water. From there the water will sit in a massive res before going into the fresh air rad. Generally I'm counting on volume to prevent any "heat soak" situation from occurring with this setup.

I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out.

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What I meant by only using rads as exhaust is to have two at the back and top whilst having the front as the intake, would I have a problem at that point? I have to agree now that having a rad at every possible place could have negative effects such as putting hot air into another rad and some pressure problems, but as long as I had enough standalone intake fans to compensate for the rads it doesn't seem to matter.
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