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I'm planning on building out my first custom loop. To start, I'll just be cooling the cpu. Later on, I'd like to pick up a monsta 240 for the front of my case and add in the gpu and maybe the vrms too. Once I get a replace my 560s, which won't be for a while.

I've measured the clearance in my case, and I can fit a 35mm rad with fans on one side in the center 120mm mounts in the roof. There are two sets of 2x120mm mounts, one is offset away from the mobo, in addition to the 2x140mm mounts. I did a pleasant double take when I noticed the offset screw holes. smile.gif

These are the two kits I'm looking at. They are largely the same outside of the more expensive one having a much better pump and not including fittings/tubing. So the choice is such:

XSPC Raystorm 750 RS240, which comes with barb fittings for $145

XSPC Raystorm D5 RS240 for $230, plus tubing for ~$14, and compression fittings for $30, so $275.

I would likely want to switch to compression fittings later on when I finish out my loop anyway, but that may not be for some time. I may well wait until maxwell drops, if I can hold out that long. >.> As such I won't count the additional cost of replacing the barbs later on.

I've ruled out a non-bay res, as the monsta rad in front in push-pull takes up pretty much all the space for one there. I think that I would prefer a dual bay res to a single bay one for aesthetic reasons (lol, as if it matters in a doored case *cough*ocd*cough*). I intend to relegate my hdd to an external enclosure. I plan to delete my odd altogether, I mean it's 2013 ffs.

Is the better pump worth the price? I've read that there have been many issues with the 750 pump, which is why it is on revision 4. Is the new revision reliable?

Alternatively, are there better options that I've overlooked? The kits all look cheaper than buying the individual components ($33 dollars less for the d5 kit).

Also, any advice to a noob watercooler would be appreciated. I probably won't be making a purchase for 2 weeks or more.
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post #2 of 11
The D5 is a much better pump then the x20-750 built-in-pump reservoir. The cost difference ain't bad considering your getting a D5 (sells ~$90) and a D5 bay res ($60).

The x20-750 pump/res combination unit is pretty decent but there are numerous, numerous reports of them failing (some quite frequently). If you're on a a budget and can risk having to replace a bad pump (xspc rma will send you a new one), go w/ this kit.

Other then that, I would go w/ the D5 kit. Much more upgrade friendly and your resale value is much better for these better components.



The raystorm is a great cpu block. If you're willing to spend a bit more, you can piece a good custom loop (get ready to spend ~$300-500, starting!).
post #3 of 11
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Yeah, I'd started with a budget of $200, but you know how these things go... I expect to spend close to $300 to start, and then another $200 or so to bring a video card and a monsta rad into the loop later on.

I just found this kit:

XSPC Raystorm D5 EX240, includes compression fittings and tubing for $245.

The ex240 rad is better than the rs240, no? I think that may be the best so far. I'm soooo tempted to just buy it now. But I know that as soon as I do, someone will post something way better. Plus, I've got to rma my mobo next week, so I'll have to wait for that to sort itself out first anyway.
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Yeah, I'd started with a budget of $200, but you know how these things go... I expect to spend close to $300 to start, and then another $200 or so to bring a video card and a monsta rad into the loop later on.

I just found this kit:

XSPC Raystorm D5 EX240, includes compression fittings and tubing for $245.

The ex240 rad is better than the rs240, no? I think that may be the best so far. I'm soooo tempted to just buy it now. But I know that as soon as I do, someone will post something way better. Plus, I've got to rma my mobo next week, so I'll have to wait for that to sort itself out first anyway.

EX series is better then the RS. Which Monsta rad are you getting btw?
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This is the one that I've been looking at. It will be some time before I do that, though.
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This is the one that I've been looking at. It will be some time before I do that, though.

Nice. I've owned the 240, 360, and some 480s thumb.gif

They seem to like low to medium rpm fans. Which 140mm fans are you going with?
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I haven't really even looked into the logistics of the second phase too much yet. I'm hoping that corsair makes some 140mm static pressure fans by then, so they can match my other ones. I'd be surprised if the did, though. Other than that, what would you recommend? I plan to set up that rad in a push pull configuration.

The more I look at the monsta rad, the more I suspect that I'll break down and get it long before I buy gpu worth bringing into the loop. Would it be completely ridiculous to have those two rads solely cooling my lowly 3570k? Is this the wrong place to ask that question? tongue.gif I'd probably bring my vrms and chipset into the mix for that, maybe in 6-8 months.
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That's the one downside to 140mm rads is the fan choice is smaller compared to 120mm. For your IB, even a closed loop system will do fine. Corsair makes good 140mm fans, though their 120mm fans are even better.

A monsta 240 should be able to handle your gpu and a couple of medium range gpu(s).
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I have a closed loop cooler now, I want to do the real thing though. I think this may be almost as much about the experience of building and tinkering with my own custom loop as it is about squeezing out more performance.

I like the monsta 240 too, it just seems like a shame not to get the 280 when it's only 10 bucks more.
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I have a closed loop cooler now, I want to do the real thing though. I think this may be almost as much about the experience of building and tinkering with my own custom loop as it is about squeezing out more performance.

I like the monsta 240 too, it just seems like a shame not to get the 280 when it's only 10 bucks more.

Yeah, but the cost for 140mm fans is higher at the same time the selection is lower. For first timers, go w/ 120mm since its much more common. You may actually get better performance from the 240 paired w/ some great 120mm fans. Though, don't expect a huge difference, maybe just a couple of ticks (can go either way).
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