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I am me, and only me, but if they clone me, will I still be me ? biggrin.gif
It is just about cloning embryos to retrieve more undifferentiated stem cells.
No cloning intentions here besides genotype and phenotype are 2 different things.
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Why the hell do we have to create an actual embryo?Surely its just as easy to clone/construct the required organ/limb.If the answer is they cannot create the required organ/limb,then why the hell are we re-creating an actual fully functioning living thing?If we are not smart enough to be able to only create what we need then,then i think we are hardly qualified to create artificial life in a full form.
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Why the hell do we have to create an actual embryo?Surely its just as easy to clone/construct the required organ/limb.If the answer is they cannot create the required organ/limb,then why the hell are we re-creating an actual fully functioning living thing?If we are not smart enough to be able to only create what we need then,then i think we are hardly qualified to create artificial life in a full form.
To harvest the stem cells from it is the same reason we make polymer and transform those with chemical processes into monomers which we use to create the wanted end product.
We just aren't capable of working on those scales.
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To harvest the stem cells from it is the same reason we make polymer and transform those with chemical processes into monomers which we use to create the wanted end product.
We just aren't capable of working on those scales.

Then we should'nt be doing it,we should we working on refining the processes needed to avoid actual full cloning of a full life.Dont get me wrong,I'm not religous and I love science however some things seem to be a step to far sometimes,cloning a life is one of them.It can only end badly,mainly I believe because I dont feel we as a human race are capable of dealing with the aspects of restraint,it will be used for immoral purposes etc.Its like donating money to Cancer Research,the do the studies which they pay for by charity for a big pharmaceutical company to create a life pro-longing drug which only the rich could afford anyway,its just the way of the world.Cloning a life could create many complications on the rights over that life and what purpose.

We are not the intelligent race we think we are,we have some serious flaws.
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Then we should'nt be doing it,we should we working on refining the processes needed to avoid actual full cloning of a full life.Dont get me wrong,I'm not religous and I love science however some things seem to be a step to far sometimes,cloning a life is one of them.It can only end badly,mainly I believe because I dont feel we as a human race are capable of dealing with the aspects of restraint,it will be used for immoral purposes etc.Its like donating money to Cancer Research,the do the studies which they pay for by charity for a big pharmaceutical company to create a life pro-longing drug which only the rich could afford anyway,its just the way of the world.Cloning a life could create many complications on the rights over that life and what purpose.

We are not the intelligent race we think we are,we have some serious flaws.

Stem cells should be donated by willing participants or gaurdians of,and in turn they should be able to have full access to what these are being used for and rights to any cures or health benefits from the donation.They should also be able to have the material destroyed at anytime if they so wish amongst over fail-safes.At the end of the day people should have choice,but no-one should be able to just harvest or create embryo's,if a mother has a abortion to save another of her kids or family member then fair enough,but whats left should be destroyed.The embryo belongs to the mother and father,they would need to be the voice for that.The trouble is it wont work like this,tissues will go missing,be cultivated,have samples sent for other uses.Can you trust the people doing the cloning though?who is in control?
Edited by Jason7890 - 5/17/13 at 4:20am
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Why the hell do we have to create an actual embryo?Surely its just as easy to clone/construct the required organ/limb.If the answer is they cannot create the required organ/limb,then why the hell are we re-creating an actual fully functioning living thing?If we are not smart enough to be able to only create what we need then,then i think we are hardly qualified to create artificial life in a full form.

No, it's not as easy as you think. Recreating the intricate structures and various tissues of the human body is extremely complicated. We can't even grow actual skin, let alone a complicated thing like a limb.

Embryos have natural proteins that direct the creation of various tissues. Taking a sample, isolating it, and then growing it is far simpler than trying to get a mature cell and make it grow like it did at the embryonic stage. We do not know the mechanisms behind embryonic development and growth, thus it is impossible (for now) to replicate it. Fact of the matter is there is just so many different interacting proteins and chemicals that it would take us tens of years, if not hundreds, to fully understand those systems. But right now, stem cells can give us valuable healing tools within the next few years. Maybe it can't replace a limb just yet (it'll probably take several decades for that to occur), but we can start with things like skin grafts and bone marrow transplants.
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It is just about cloning embryos to retrieve more undifferentiated stem cells.
No cloning intentions here besides genotype and phenotype are 2 different things.

Not true! Have you seen the film called The Island with Ewan McGregor? Based on a true story !

Only kidding, and was only kiddiing on my 1st post biggrin.gif
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