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This is all concerning my sigrig "Arcane".

I have a 680 Lightning and a 560 Ti DC2.

I recently sent the 680 in for RMA because it randomly started crashing, causing BSODs, etc. I've been running on the 560ti alone for the last 2 weeks or so - no issues at all.

Just got the new 680 in from RMA today, plugged it back in where I pulled the old one out from. Same power cables and PCI slot. PC fails to boot. Halts at POST code 2b (Init video BIOS). Screen is black.

Tried a few more times. More 2b codes. Sometimes I get an endless cycle of POST codes instead of halting at 2b, but the screen remains black either way. Every once in a while it will boot, and then blue screen either instantly as soon as windows begins to load, or will blue screen 2-3 seconds after logging into my windows account.

Pulled the 680 back out, yet the problems persist with only the 560ti! ***?

Tried pulling the 560ti out and running only the new 680. Nothing. Same issues.

Went to bed. Got up this morning, tossed both cards back in, reset the BIOS to defaults. Windows went into repair mode, automatically system restored, and now I'm sitting in Windows typing this out. I've got my monitor plugged into the 560. Windows does not see the 680L in device manager, nor does the Nvidia control panel. All the LEDs on the top of the lightning are off, but the fans are spinning.

I'm seriously at a loss. Can someone please help?
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Does the 680 display if you put it in another PCIE slot ? The problem persisting when the 560 could have something to do with that. Try some different PCIE cables if possible, flip the BIOS onto the second BIOS on the Lightning too if you haven't already.
    
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Does the 680 display if you put it in another PCIE slot ? The problem persisting when the 560 could have something to do with that. Try some different PCIE cables if possible, flip the BIOS onto the second BIOS on the Lightning too if you haven't already.

Tried both BIOS on the lightning. Tried different PCI-E power cables.

Have not tried swapping slots yet. All attempts have been with the Lightning in the first PCI-E x16 slot, and the 560ti in the second x16 slot (same configuration that used to work before my first lightning died).

I can try the 560ti in the first slot, but the lightning will not fit in the second slot due to clearance issues.
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Tried both BIOS on the lightning. Tried different PCI-E power cables.

Have not tried swapping slots yet. All attempts have been with the Lightning in the first PCI-E x16 slot, and the 560ti in the second x16 slot (same configuration that used to work before my first lightning died).

I can try the 560ti in the first slot, but the lightning will not fit in the second slot due to clearance issues.

It could be the PSU also. I know you said in the other thread that it has been running fine for the last 4 years but parts can just become unstable all of a sudden. Logic would lead me to believe its a faulty Lightning causing the problems though !
    
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Well lets say it's the power supply for a moment.

The system is still capable of powering on, and even running fine on occasion, with the exception of the lightning essentially being dead to the system and not showing up in device manager or anything.

This would imply that it no longer has the power level required for an overclocked i7, ram, a 680L, AND a 560ti, but does have enough output for the 560ti, and the overclocked i7 (just not enough to fully power the lightning), yes?

So by that logic, resetting the CPU and RAM to stock clocks and volts, and entirely removing the 560ti from the system, there should be plenty of power left for just the 680.

The Lightning just doesn't want to work on it's own though. Neither does the 560ti for that matter. It seems the only way to get either to work is to have them both in the system and plugged into the PSU, but in this state only the 560ti actually works, and only some of the time.

This makes it somewhat hard to believe the it's the PSU, never mind that if it was, it would have to have just randomly cut out the very same second I stuck this refurb 680L in the machine.


That said, a faulty PSU is the only thing that really makes sense as far as the 560ti no longer working by itself. I don't see how a faulty Lightning could prevent a system from working when it isn't even in said system.headscratch.gif

Theres always the option that windows got screwed up somehow, but that doesn't explain the failure to boot and hanging on POST 2b / eternal POST code cycling.
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Theres always the option that windows got screwed up somehow, but that doesn't explain the failure to boot and hanging on POST 2b / eternal POST code cycling.

Pull the CMOS battery so the BIOS defaults itself fully and see if that makes any difference, its a long shot but it may work. All the hardware changes could have messed it up somehow
    
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CMOS clear button should do the same thing as pulling the battery and waiting for caps to drain, no?

I could give the battery a yank anyway, but I'd rather not if it's the same thing, since it would require removing some more hardware to access it.
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As silly as this may sound, try running your system RAM at 2T command rate, my AMD rig would post and BSOD after a while due to the ram command rate.

Worth a shot, may not be a fix for you though.
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Fairly sure its not the RAM. I've been running this system for almost 5 years now. This issue only occurred after plugging in the card I received from MSI RMA.

I'm really thinking it's the card. It looks all trashy and cosmetically damaged. It may well be damaged internally as well.



Oh BTW, I'm currently able to fairly consistently get the machine to run by having both cards plugged in, with the monitor plugged into the 560ti. POST takes like 5 times as long as it used to, but it works. No BSOD in windows.

The Lightning still doesn't show up in windows though - all it's lights are off but the fans are spinning at max speed. Seems pretty busted to me

Oddly, if I remove the lightning, the machine refuses to POST, even though the lightning is effectively dead weight in the system AFAIK.



Oh and BTW, I'm barely drawing any power from the wall atm, so unless this 1000W PSU is only capable of 150w, I think it's safe to assume it's not the PSU. I know it's getting a bit old and aging caps can lose some of their maximum potential over time, but I think that's a bit overkill.

If any were busted, it probably just wouldn't work at all, right?
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If any were busted, it probably just wouldn't work at all, right?

Sounds like the GPU then I'd imagine ! About the PSU, if its multi rail, it could be a rail going bad, but if you've used different PCIE cables, that would rule that out too
    
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